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Old 09-01-2005, 11:09 AM
Wetdog Wetdog is offline
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Paradise Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, Hero ?

I don't know if a raise does anything for me here except bloat the pot. OESD and BDFD made it interesting.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:10 AM
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Your flop bet is fundamentally bad.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:17 AM
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Your flop bet is fundamentally bad.

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You wouldn't bet on the come with an OESD? How about with a 4 flush? I don't see much difference there, other than 1 out. I think the BDFD makes up for that.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:17 AM
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Your flop bet is fundamentally bad.

[/ QUOTE ]Betting out first to act has a tendancy to fold weak hands. I'd rather check. Someone will probably bet, and especially if the bet comes from the last to act person, more people will be inclined to call, increasing your take if your hand comes in.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:19 AM
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Your flop bet is fundamentally bad.

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You wouldn't bet on the come with an OESD? How about with a 4 flush? I don't see much difference there, other than 1 out. I think the BDFD makes up for that.

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not with that position on the pf raiser who is going to face the field with two bets.

i'd checkraise for value.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:23 AM
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not with that position on the pf raiser who is going to face the field with two bets. i'd checkraise for value.

[/ QUOTE ]I didn't even notice that before. This makes your decision to bet even worse. You were in perfect position to trap the field if UTG+1 bet and got some callers.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:25 AM
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Your flop bet is fundamentally bad.

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You wouldn't bet on the come with an OESD? How about with a 4 flush? I don't see much difference there, other than 1 out. I think the BDFD makes up for that.

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not with that position on the pf raiser who is going to face the field with two bets.

i'd checkraise for value.

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That's perfect.
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Old 09-01-2005, 11:26 AM
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Your flop bet is fundamentally bad.

[/ QUOTE ]Betting out first to act has a tendancy to fold weak hands.

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If only this was true.
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Old 09-01-2005, 02:01 PM
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Your flop bet is fundamentally bad.

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You wouldn't bet on the come with an OESD? How about with a 4 flush? I don't see much difference there, other than 1 out. I think the BDFD makes up for that.

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not with that position on the pf raiser who is going to face the field with two bets.

i'd checkraise for value.

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Shouldn't this hand have c/r'd the flop also, or is the pot/field too small?
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Old 09-01-2005, 03:16 PM
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Your flop bet is fundamentally bad.

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You wouldn't bet on the come with an OESD? How about with a 4 flush? I don't see much difference there, other than 1 out. I think the BDFD makes up for that.

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not with that position on the pf raiser who is going to face the field with two bets.

i'd checkraise for value.

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Shouldn't this hand have c/r'd the flop also, or is the pot/field too small?

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No. You trap no one and face MP1 with 2 cold. No value there unless they both fold.
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