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Re: Middle set 9s vs. turn 3-str8 and flush draw
Thanks to Bluff and Tilt for your excellent replies.
Bluff, can you explain this statement? [ QUOTE ] you are sometimes going to have to allow yourself to be bluffed off the best hand when a scare card gets there, in order to win on those situations in the long run. [/ QUOTE ] My reason to pot it on the turn was as you said, I couldn't be bluffed off the pot, and I would have the correct odds to call the rest of my stack even if Villain hit the nut str8. Interestingly, Rolf described nearly the exact same situation in his article "Ace Speaks: An unusual play", and advocates check-raising all-in in order to cut down on the implied odds. However, I was worried that occasionally, this TAG will check behind if he has a drawing hand. I was definitely not worried that Villain had TTQJ or ATTx because I know his play well enough that he would have raised the flop. |
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Re: Middle set 9s vs. turn 3-str8 and flush draw
Joe, I was just repeating what Ciaffone and others have said in their writings, that you have to be willing to fold what might be the best hand in order to be a winner overall. This is different than limit where the pot is going to be so big that you justified in calling with outs to improve, but where in pot limit you can be getting insufficient odds to call unless you place the possibility of a bluff at a certain level (the subject of a recent thread).
And I did indicate that the play you made could be correct against known aggressive bluffers (which also can include TAGs). But that player as you described him is likely on the flop to have a two way draw and thus is more likely to hit any draw that gets there. That read is key to making the correct play. |
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