Home game controversy - What would you do?

[chekraze]

Hosted home game tourney last night and toward the end i dealt for the 4 remaining players after busting out. At the beginning of the night we said that the best hand shown down would win (we usually require the bettor to call his own hand in our games) since we had 2 fairly new players who weren't good with rank of hands, etc.
On one of the last hands with about a $120 pot with all-in at river, player A called the all-in and when asked to show cards player A showed an Ace that made top pair with the board. player B showed 2 pair and player A conceded defeat. someone wanted to see player A's other card that he didn't reveal and it turned out that other hole card gave him a flush. Needless to say this caused a bit of a stir amongst all.
Any idea what is the right way to have settled this? One argument is that the best complete hand won due to what we agreed upon at beginning of game and the other side of argument is that the hand that was shown down by player A should only include the ace he chose to reveal and the other hole card shouldn't be taken into consideration.
What would you have done being the dealer here?

[ClassicBob]

Ship the pot to the winning hand.

[sleight]

Bob already beat me to it, but...

Two rules apply here: the cards speak rule and the show one, show all rule.

Show one show all means that you must show both your cards to claim a pot (It also applies to exposed cards during a hand).

Cards speak means just how it sounds, the upturned hole cards combined with the board show the best hand and it is everyone in the game has a responsibility to make sure the winning hand receives the pot.

The problem with your “hand that was shown down” rule is that it contradicts the above rules and makes it seem like it is ok to award the pot to the losing hand.

[Hal 2000]

1. Find bricks.
2. Put bricks in bag.
3. Whack player A over head with said bag.
4. Ship player A the pot and tell him never to reveal only one card ever again.

[Guernica4000]

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Two rules apply here: the cards speak rule and the show one, show all rule.

Show one show all means that you must show both your cards to claim a pot (It also applies to exposed cards during a hand).

Cards speak means just how it sounds, the upturned hole cards combined with the board show the best hand and it is everyone in the game has a responsibility to make sure the

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Sleight,

You are half right. There are two rules in play here but "Show one show all" doesn't apply to showing one card show all your cards. It is a rule that if you show one player at the table your cards you must show all so that everyone has the same information.

So the rule is show one (player) show all (players).

Here is the way I see this:

First of all having to call your hand is ridicules and just causes problems so the rule: The cards speak should be used in all games. Secondly you need to cards to win so if the players that showed the ace, mucked the other card his hand is dead and he lost. If he showed the second card after the two pair he (even if it wasn't intentional) slow rolled the other player and he won the hand.

The easiest way to avoid this and it also speeds up the game is: Show your cards after the show down or muck'em and get on with the next hand.

IMO

Here's the correct ruling for your situation.

Roberts Rules of Poker. Section 3 - The Showdown
5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that has been called, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins.

[Lottery Larry]

"here but "Show one show all" doesn't apply to showing one card show all your cards"

It was close enough to the "must show both cards on request" rule that you often see in casinos that we can let it slide.

[Kosstic518]

In our home game you have to show your cards no matter what during an all-in and if you much the dealer will generally flip them over. We had an incident like that once and this is how we avoid it now.

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In our home game you have to show your cards no matter what during an all-in and if you much the dealer will generally flip them over. We had an incident like that once and this is how we avoid it now.

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The all in was called on the river, so the hand was over, it's not unusual for an all in to be called on the river and the winner to flip over his/her cards and the other player muck their cards.

The Robert's rule is pretty complicated regarding if a non-winning player asked for the hole cards that they're deemed dead, well, not complicated, but if you tried to use that rule at the table when the donkey realized he had the flush he would have wanted the pot too.

Tell the player to just always flip over his cards and shrug his shoulders and if the other play in the hands curses, that's his cue to scoop up the pot.