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07-31-2005, 07:56 PM
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Re: Dan Druff and Stars 100/200
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you have made some interesting posts, andrew, but in my book you substitute being an [censored] for actually validating your points. [/ QUOTE ] I think the essential tone of your response is on target. Being an obnoxious doof really isn't that productive. While it may be fun to poke you guys from time to time, it doesn't really do anyone any good. As far as defending my positions, there really isn't much point. In truth, I should probably keep my mouth shut, and see if you guys figure things out on your own. As far as the situation with Dan Druff goes, phish gets it exactly right, and does it with a lot more clarity than I would ever have the effort to expend. In part, this is simply an extension of the the whole DERB conversation, where for some strange reason a whole herd of 2+2ers have decided to cast reason to the wind an chant over and over again "statistical outlier" like some crazed cult members. The truth is the tight predictable style of Dan Druff, and the uber nits who worship him, is only the beginning of playing well. Again, it's not my place to explain these sorts of things, and just mentioning them is probably a bad idea. But I have to admit to a certain morbid fascination with the way the "collective" reacts to anything which might challenge their basic assumptions. But on the subject of cordiality, tone, and general pleasantness, I should try to be more of all of those things. And I will endeavor to be less confrontational in my contrariness in the future. - Andrew www.pokerstove.com 
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#2
07-31-2005, 08:05 PM
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Re: Dan Druff and Stars 100/200
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The truth is the tight predictable style of Dan Druff [/ QUOTE ] Last night I played with Mr. Witteles. In one hand I opened in the CO and a very LAG player 3-bet me from the button, and he called from the BB with his Th8h... Definitely not within the hand range of a "tight predictable nit." Later, while observing a game I didn't feel like playing in, he raised 65s UTG, 5 handed game, with a CO poster+dead SB. I dunno maybe he's opening up his game more, or maybe he simply enjoys a lot of the regular cast thinking he's a tight ABC nit but he really isn't.
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#3
07-31-2005, 08:22 PM
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Re: Dan Druff and Stars 100/200
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[ QUOTE ] The truth is the tight predictable style of Dan Druff [/ QUOTE ] Last night I played with Mr. Witteles. In one hand I opened in the CO and a very LAG player 3-bet me from the button, and he called from the BB with his Th8h... Definitely not within the hand range of a "tight predictable nit." Later, while observing a game I didn't feel like playing in, he raised 65s UTG, 5 handed game, with a CO poster+dead SB. I dunno maybe he's opening up his game more, or maybe he simply enjoys a lot of the regular cast thinking he's a tight ABC nit but he really isn't. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see either of these plays qualifying as openinng your game up more. In fact, they seem fairly standard, and at least one of them is explicitly mentioned in HEFAP. It might be that you and I have a different idea of what makes up the play of a typical tight player. That's ok, - Andrew
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07-31-2005, 10:55 PM
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Re: Dan Druff and Stars 100/200
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[ QUOTE ] The truth is the tight predictable style of Dan Druff [/ QUOTE ] Last night I played with Mr. Witteles. In one hand I opened in the CO and a very LAG player 3-bet me from the button, and he called from the BB with his Th8h... Definitely not within the hand range of a "tight predictable nit." Later, while observing a game I didn't feel like playing in, he raised 65s UTG, 5 handed game, with a CO poster+dead SB. I dunno maybe he's opening up his game more, or maybe he simply enjoys a lot of the regular cast thinking he's a tight ABC nit but he really isn't. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, he is capable of mixing it up a little pre-flop. But the reason I characterize him as being a bit unimaginative is that he doesn't mix it up enough post-flop. The best players are capable of chkraising on any street with anything and they make sure you know it. When I'm in a game, I really don't care how people play pre-flop, it's how they play post-flop that is most important. It is there that you find out which players can be bluffed, induced to bluff, whom you can fold safely to, etc. That's where the real money is made in holdem. Playing a little looser or tighter pre-flop really doesn't matter all that much given how much the flop often defines our hands. (I for one, though would typically not make those plays mentioned above.)
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#5
07-31-2005, 10:09 PM
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Re: Dan Druff and Stars 100/200
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it may be fun to poke you guys [/ QUOTE ] i'm not a member of any clubs here [ QUOTE ] this is simply an extension of the the whole DERB conversation [/ QUOTE ] i wasn't involved in that not that i'm distancing myself from everybody like you are. i even think there are still things i can learn about poker!
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