Free card play in MTTs? Comments?

SavageMiser · #1 11-14-2005, 03:02 AM

Where's the free card?

Preflop I'd be wary and fold this myself if the second limper is smart. Why wouldn't he raise to get the donk to himself?

I'm folding on the flop. Bet, raise to me, the raise from a solid player. I don't see the odds to call and my implied odds are pretty small: I'm only going to get action from a better flush if I hit. Muck.

Turn: Well, I take a card off if I'm making a free card play, right?

Matador225 · #2 11-14-2005, 08:40 AM

Yes I definitely agree I should have checked the turn, which was my original plan. I screwed that up. My main problem with this hand was that I really felt the reraiser didn't have to have a very strong hand to make this play. I thought I could have pushed him off his hand with a third raise which shows a lot of strength.

In retrospect fold/push were my best options and a fold was probably best.

Matador225 · #3 11-14-2005, 09:22 AM

Another question. What percentage of the time do you think they both fold to a preflop push given their range of hands?

Lets assume a very wide range for the first raiser, say any ace, medium pocket pair (66-TT), any kind of drawing hand, or better.
I put the reraiser on a pretty wide range here as well, given the initial raiser's horrible past play. So something like A8-AJ, two pair (A3s or A5s),a set of 3s or 5s, or a strong flush draw.

Just trying to figure out how much fold equity I have here.

Noodles · #4 11-14-2005, 11:14 AM

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Another question. What percentage of the time do you think they both fold to a preflop push given their range of hands?

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well the guy you say is terrible,id say dont try to go allin with crap agasint these kind of players,the other guy might fold allright.

still i wouldnt try to steal blinds and limpers money with that kinda hand,try it with something better heads up,an axo hand or something

Matador225 · #5 11-14-2005, 05:43 PM

Just to clarify when I said he was terrible I was talking more about his hand selection. He would limp weak hands like A5o from EP and would call raises with pretty much anything he would limp with.

His postflop play really hadn't been that terrible up to this hand. I was confident he would lay a marginal ace down to a raise and reraise.

Also I'm not a bluff-happy maniac. I rarely make plays like this but to me this looked like a good situation to take down a nice pot. Unfortunately they had stronger hands then I expected.

Thanks everyone once again for the comments. Its good every once in awhile to get flamed for playing a hand poorly.

Noodles · #6 11-14-2005, 11:12 AM

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My main problem with this hand was that I really felt the reraiser didn't have to have a very strong hand to make this play. I thought I could have pushed him off his hand with a third raise which shows a lot of strength.

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maybe youve been watching to many bluff reraise on TV [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
he may not need a strong hand but it is probably a lot better than yours,

wait for better spots to get tricky until you have more experience.