KQs on button - isolation 3-bet gone wrong

Fiddler · #1 02-04-2005, 03:45 PM

If the others had paid any attention they must have thought I was a rock, my VP$IP so far was 12%. I think at least BB and MP had noticed. BB was kind of passive and loose pre-flop and seemed pretty straightforward post, if he called he had decent pair+kicker/draw. MP was tighter and open-raised more. SB was hard to get a read on but he was extremely loose pre-flop.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, MP folds.

Figured I could fire one more and see what happened.

Turn: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (7 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Ok, berate me.

rory · #2 02-04-2005, 03:48 PM

I just call preflop.

Flop and turn were perfect.

Bet the river-- time to use that good position to value bet.

Tim W. · #3 02-04-2005, 04:33 PM

Why not bet the turn when your King appears?

I too would bet the river.

rory · #4 02-04-2005, 04:37 PM

Because my opponent's most likely holding that he raised preflop and called a bet on that flop with is a bad ace.

That changes when my opponent does not bet the river. Now I think he has a small pocket pair or nothing, and my king is the best hand so I bet.

Entity · #5 02-04-2005, 04:40 PM

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Because my opponent's most likely holding that he raised preflop and called a bet on that flop with is a bad ace.

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Wrong opponent. PFR folded, SB called 2.5 cold preflop.

Rob

rory · #6 02-04-2005, 04:44 PM

Oh-- well then ignore everything I said.

Fiddler · #7 02-04-2005, 05:46 PM

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Wrong opponent. PFR folded, SB called 2.5 cold preflop.

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Right, I didn't really expect him to fold. If he and one of the others called I figured that I would probably be drawing to some runner-runner hand. But since he is the one most likely to have cold-called with any ace I didn't want to put in more money and he was passive so it isn't certain he would bet the river with an ace even after I checked through the turn.

Seeing the river with hopefully only SB getting 12:1 seemed like a good gamble.

NLSoldier · #8 02-04-2005, 05:55 PM

I think betting the turn and river is crucial.

Fiddler · #9 02-04-2005, 06:10 PM

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I think betting the turn and river is crucial.

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Care to elaborate? To me it looks like I'm either way ahead or way behind but since he is the only one who called the flop I have as good a chance to win as I was going to get.

I'm not saying you are wrong though... I did post the hand after all. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

rickofcampbell · #10 02-04-2005, 06:36 PM

Bet the turn and be done with it.

They could have a medium pocket pair or maybe 89 suited.
Maybe they'll muck Ace rag suited if it's your lucky day.

I would not bet the river if called on the turn as I am not expecting anyone to lay down an Ace, and AKJ on board will make it tough for a medium pair or 89 suited to call.