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#31
08-13-2005, 03:56 AM
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Re: The Suffering God
NotReady --
"The idea that He suffered because He is evil is beyond blasphemy. " Then why did you bring it up? PairTheBoard 
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#32
08-13-2005, 04:02 AM
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Re: Born under a bad sign
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[ QUOTE ] Why don't you just denounce [Christianity]? It appears you find it intolerable. [/ QUOTE ] Not intolerable; just untenable. I do not confuse the teachings of Christianity on how to conduct one's life (which are alright, especially for persons who need an outsider's moral compass) with the atrocities committed in the religion's name, which indeed I (and you too should) find deplorable. [/ QUOTE ] I don't confuse those either. Neither do I confuse the idea of a suffering god with those things, except in the sense that god suffered at the hands of Christians who committed such atrocites. PairTheBoard
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#34
08-13-2005, 06:39 PM
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Re: The Suffering God
He meant he never said Jesus was evil. I can't understand him either.
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#35
08-13-2005, 08:46 PM
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Re: The Suffering God
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He meant he never said Jesus was evil. [/ QUOTE ] Yes he did. [ QUOTE ] The author presents a radically new theological idea that God's Suffering on the cross was not an atonement for human evil but more of an atonement for God's allowing evil in the world [/ QUOTE ]
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#36
08-14-2005, 02:01 AM
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Re: The Suffering God
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[ QUOTE ] He meant he never said Jesus was evil. [/ QUOTE ] Yes he did. [ QUOTE ] The author presents a radically new theological idea that God's Suffering on the cross was not an atonement for human evil but more of an atonement for God's allowing evil in the world [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] To begin with, Goetz said it, not me. If you think that the statement "God allows evil in the world" equates to "Jesus was evil" then I think that's a case you have to make. PairTheBoard
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#37
08-14-2005, 02:20 AM
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Re: The Suffering God
You said the concept of a suffering God was new which is absurd as the New Testament recounts the suffering of Christ throughout. So it seems you mean the reason for His suffering is new whereupon you tell us that God was suffering because He allowed evil into the world which leads us to believe you mean He was somehow wrong to do so.
But fine, you can escape all this by denouncing the heresy that God is evil.
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#38
08-14-2005, 03:25 AM
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Re: The Suffering God
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You said the concept of a suffering God was new which is absurd as the New Testament recounts the suffering of Christ throughout. So it seems you mean the reason for His suffering is new whereupon you tell us that God was suffering because He allowed evil into the world which leads us to believe you mean He was somehow wrong to do so. But fine, you can escape all this by denouncing the heresy that God is evil. [/ QUOTE ] I'm getting tired of defending myself for things I didn't say NotReady. If you want to quote me I'll defend things I've actually said or admit mistakes where I mispoke. I don't know why the link to Goetz's article no longer works. The link to the main site www.religion-online.org doesn't work either. If it ever comes back up I suggest you read the article by Goetz yourself and argue with him. PairTheBoard
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#39
08-14-2005, 03:37 AM
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Re: The Suffering God
While the link does not work it still comes up on Google with this excerpt from the article:
"The ancient theopaschite heresy that God suffers has, in fact, become the new..." PairTheBoard
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#40
08-14-2005, 03:53 AM
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Re: The Suffering God
This is what an online Theological Glossary says...
"Theopaschite Heresy: Early Church heresy teaching that Christ in His divinity suffered on the cross. Held in modern times by heretics such as Barth and Brunner. " From: Theological Glossary PairTheBoard
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