100/200 O/8 shorthanded hand

[mostsmooth]

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One time I accidentally capped it with 37o and flopped quads and won a 9k pot. THEREFORE it was clearly the right play. Thank you for your meaningless results oriented opinion. That does not make this play correct. Ok 1-2 at the Bellagio. I play that when im not 36 tabling 2-4 omaha8 online.

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my repsonse wasnt instructional, true, it was a comment to show that things shouldnt be based on hindsight.
and if you want to say my comment was result oriented, what was your extremely indepth response based on? how do you know IF he raised preflop the q246 would fold? how do you know the 3bet makes q246 fold? the other responses were for the most part very explanatory and strategic, except yours (which was based on hindsight) and mine. mine was, according to you, a meaningless and results oriented post (questionable), but yours was just the most meaningless (unquestionable). i can only imagine what your response would have been had you known the lady had something like K2K3. probably something like "this is clearly a preflop limp situation, and a fold when the A turns. your low is no good and youre probably beaten badly for high" if you want to appear brilliant, give us some content, not "you should have 3bet the flop which also would have enabled you to win the entire pot" because you knew her cards. he didnt know she had Q246, maybe she does have something like K2K3 or AKK2, then how does your 3bet planlook?

and nice work with the "Would you mind sharing where you play?" comment, as if youre gonna swoop down and take all his chips, real friendly. the guy basically said he doesnt play the game very much if at all, and youre acting like a vulture.(if im wrong about your intentions of this comment then forgive me, but thats the way it comes off.)

[Danielih]

Well it is hard for me to respond to this. You called my post results oriented because I said that raising was the right play to limit the players in the pot and increase your chances of winning. If, the players should choose to call then it is a value raise. It is likely that at the time, preflop and flop that AK22s is the best hand at the table.

Think about what you just said. You called my comments results oriented and then said I failed to consider that the woman might be holding nut nut in a 3 handed game. Both hands you give her contain the only other two kings left in the deck. Very very unlikely. In fact, The range of hand that she could be holding that are better than his, preflop and flop is ridiculously low. Even if the woman has something decent, he has enough equity 3 handed to raise the pot. If fourbet calling on the flop calling is the best play pending the turn.

I have no problem admitting maybe I am not explaining it all that well. Regardless I think that you fail to consider that raising and 3betting are the right plays. Why do you think that calling is right?

Furthermore, the game makeup (Holdem NL Holdem, 2-7 TD, etc.) that could justify open limping in any game with any number of players is rather rare. In a very loose 8-10 handed O8 game I will open limp with a bad low only hand like A234 or A235 etc only if I know it is going to encourage several people to limp after me, raising has a very low percentage of taking the blinds, and I am only going to get 3bet by a better hand. Now five handed with a kill it is just plain wrong to open limp.

Perhaps Ray Zee will come and write a sentence or two to clear this up.

Cheers

[mostsmooth]

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Well it is hard for me to respond to this. You called my post results oriented

[/ QUOTE ]no i didnt[ QUOTE ]
because I said that raising was the right play to limit the players in the pot and increase your chances of winning

[/ QUOTE ]no, you said to get rid of the q246[ QUOTE ]
. If, the players should choose to call then it is a value raise.

[/ QUOTE ]probably[ QUOTE ]
It is likely that at the time, preflop and flop that AK22s is the best hand at the table.

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Think about what you just said. You called my comments results oriented

[/ QUOTE ]see above[ QUOTE ]
and then said I failed to consider that the woman might be holding nut nut in a 3 handed game. Both hands you give her contain the only other two kings left in the deck. Very very unlikely. In fact, The range of hand that she could be holding that are better than his, preflop and flop is ridiculously low.

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Even if the woman has something decent, he has enough equity 3 handed to raise the pot. If fourbet calling on the flop calling is the best play pending the turn.

I have no problem admitting maybe I am not explaining it all that well. Regardless I think that you fail to consider that raising and 3betting are the right plays. Why do you think that calling is right?

[/ QUOTE ]when did i say anything was right?[ QUOTE ]


Furthermore, the game makeup (Holdem NL Holdem, 2-7 TD, etc.) that could justify open limping in any game with any number of players is rather rare. In a very loose 8-10 handed O8 game I will open limp with a bad low only hand like A234 or A235 etc only if I know it is going to encourage several people to limp after me, raising has a very low percentage of taking the blinds, and I am only going to get 3bet by a better hand. Now five handed with a kill it is just plain wrong to open limp.

Perhaps Ray Zee will come and write a sentence or two to clear this up.

[/ QUOTE ]it was already clear before you added your "raise to get the q246 out"[ QUOTE ]


Cheers

[/ QUOTE ] cheers

[Danielih]

Ok here we go. When you said that my comments would have been different had the lady had KK23 or AKK then you are blatantly accusing me of being results oriented. Which, I am certaintly not, and of course as I mentioned and you agreed to it is rather unlikely the lady holds a better hand.

Yes my original post says the 3bet is to make the lady fold. What I was adding was that it doesnt matter all that much if she folds because then it becomes a value raise. Im sorry I cant debate with you about nothing anymore.

Cheers