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Trouble hands
Troubles with the iffy PP's JJ-99
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls. Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls. River: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Final Pot: 11.50 BB I'm happy with this hand right down to the river, where I have 2 questions. 1)The wake up bet on the river means I'm beaten, right? The queen is an overcard and completes a straight 2)If I stay in, do I raise to get rid of BB, even though I'm probably beat? Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG folds, MP calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, MP calls. Flop: (8.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font> BB checks, MP checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, BB calls, MP folds. Turn: (5.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. River: (9.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 11.25 BB Fold to the turn check-raise with a four straight on the board? Fold the river when the five pairs? StuR |
#2
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Re: Trouble hands
The JJ hand: Raising is definitely a bad option. I'd probably still call it unless I had a good read that MP1 would only bet if you were beat. And actually, my personal opinion is that calling and folding are about equal here...
The TT hand: You did fine. Lots of people love to bluff and semi-bluff in this position. |
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Re: Trouble hands
Hand 1 you gotta let go. If it was heads up I'd say it was close you'd only have to catch him bluffing 1 in ten times. But it's still close.
When he bets into two of you, could still get raised behind. Rare a guy bulffs into 2 players when just callin the whole way into a fairly small pot. As far as raisin out the BB I'd be much more worried about the better. Second Hand. What do you think he has? He could have a draw but most of the time a c/r will have you beat coupled with the fact his draw will get there sometimes. He could have 2 pr that u have ten outs to, but unless u hit the ten you won't know where u r at. Plus u could hit your ten and tough to raise with that board, so no extra $ when u get there. Don't get married to these over pairs they will bleed the profits. |
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Re: Trouble hands
ThunderAces,
Nice seeing you at 2+2. Seen you around Stars .25/.50 lately (and been losing to your rockets with queens...). |
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Re: Trouble hands
I think you played both hands fine. In hand one, I'd call the river, if BB raises then fold.
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Re: Trouble hands
Thanks. I'll see ya at stars
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Re: Trouble hands
Hand 1: With the size of the field, the two overcards and flush and straight possibilities, I think you can safely muck here. However, if you know for sure MP1 will frequently bluff in situations like these, a raise could be the only way you win the pot.
Hand 2: Heads up at these limits, I will never fold an overpair to the board for one bet for a pot of this size. If the turn made your opponent two pair (one of the pairs can't be a 5), then you sucked out on the river with a bigger two pair. In fact, if your opponent doesn't have a 6, you probably win. |
#8
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Re: Trouble hands
Stu, did you have any reads on the players?
On the JJ hand, I would lean more heavily towards folding if MP1 was generally passive. Otherwise I think calling 1 river bet is not bad (since the BB will almost surely not raise -- he's been passive the whole hand). You're probably usually beaten in this situation, though. I'm more inclined to call if MP1 is aggressive or tricky. On the TT hand I am leaning towards folding, unless BB is aggressive or tricky. Maybe that's too weak/tight on my part, though. -J. |
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