JJ - totally lost - 100NL

unlucky513 · #1 08-17-2005, 01:17 PM

no reads, villains 2nd hand.

i'm really confused w/ this limp/reraise/lead the flop line. in your experiences, what hands are these most of the time?

what is your line for the hand?? give thoughts.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) converter

SB ($115.25)
Hero ($86.75)
UTG ($94.60)
MP ($122.65)
Button ($66.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $5, UTG raises to $18, SB folds, Hero calls $13.

Flop: ($37) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG best $12...

raise? call? what does he have? i'm so lost
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

yvesaint · #2 08-17-2005, 01:19 PM

limp re-raise, especially that large of a re-raise, is almost always AA-QQ, maybe AK if the guy is a complete idiot (but this is 6-max). also, aren't you OOP? I think I just might fold this pre-flop, I assume you checked the flop and then he bet?

AllIn3High · #3 08-17-2005, 01:19 PM

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no reads, villains 2nd hand.

i'm really confused w/ this limp/reraise/lead the flop line. in your experiences, what hands are these most of the time?

what is your line for the hand?? give thoughts.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) converter

SB ($115.25)
Hero ($86.75)
UTG ($94.60)
MP ($122.65)
Button ($66.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $5, UTG raises to $18, SB folds, Hero calls $13.

Flop: ($37) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG best $12...

raise? call? what does he have? i'm so lost
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Call, check behind on the turn if given the option. If he bets the turn strongly I'd probably fold.

EDIT: just saw you were the BB. Then I'd probably check/fold.

#4 08-17-2005, 01:22 PM

His line is the textbook way that SS says to play AA or KK. I think you are way behind here. I might have folded pre-flop, but I don't hate the call. If you spike a J you can stack him. I would fold to the flop bet.

xorbie · #5 08-17-2005, 01:23 PM

Resist the temptation to call down. You are only 75% against AK. 8% against whatever else he's got.

#6 08-17-2005, 01:24 PM

Ouch. Hmmm, to tell you the truth, I might just fold this hand. Without a read on the opponent, or any solid stats, you can put him on a variety of hands. He played preflop like he had high pocket pair, but his 1/3 size flop bet was suspicious. Add in the fact that you are OOP...I would probably just (reluctantly) toss this hand and wait for a better spot.

--solids

swolfe · #7 08-17-2005, 01:29 PM

generally this is a fold. he has AA/KK most of the time unless he's trick. in which case he could have anything...PP or suited conn...AK...

his weak flop bet is a little odd. i think i'd call and see what happens on the turn.

unlucky513 · #8 08-17-2005, 01:34 PM

flubbed this one up pretty bad...

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $5, UTG raises to $18, SB folds, Hero calls $13.

Flop: ($37) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $12, Hero raises to $37, UTG raises to $76.6, Hero calls $31.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($182.35) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($182.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $182.35

Results in white below: 
Hero has Js Jc (two pair, jacks and twos).
UTG has Qc Qh (two pair, queens and twos).
Outcome: UTG wins $182.34. 

i'm suprised to see its AA/KK/QQ here most times... i have 10k hands at .5/1 and this is the first time this has happened. bah

ScottTheFish · #9 08-17-2005, 01:40 PM

I agree with the others that this is almost always a pocket pair higher than Jacks.

I don't hate the call preflop...I'd like it more if you had a full stack. Once you're Limp/RR'd, You're trying to hit a set and double up at that point IMO.

The flop bet is so small I'd probably call and see what he does on the turn, that will be the last money I put into the pot unless I spike a J.

You don't want to play a huge pot with 1 pair vs. an unknown, and especially not when he's screaming he has a higher pair.

Edit: Yuck, you definitely have to fold to that reraise on the flop. See the pargraph above.

Edit again: Well actually I guess you had to call $31 more with the amount that was in the pot, you were basically screwed as soon as you raised the flop.

#10 08-17-2005, 01:43 PM

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i'm suprised to see its AA/KK/QQ here most times... i have 10k hands at .5/1 and this is the first time this has happened. bah

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I'm not. This move is pretty typical in ssnl, especially from donks. It's a horrible play to make with high pocket pair, but it happens often.