I just got my ass kicked - tell me all the ways I suck.

LuvDemNutz · #1 03-09-2005, 08:30 PM

Played an hour long session on PP and got my ass absolutely handed to me. It's no fun dropping a $900 in an hour. I might go back to limit after this.

HAND 1 -

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

MP1 ($331.7)
MP2 ($180.3)
Hero ($475.2)
CO ($667.2)
Button ($294.1)
SB ($215.2)
BB ($606.2)
UTG ($161.4)
UTG+1 ($119.7)
UTG+2 ($257.3)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
4 folds, MP2 calls $4, Hero raises to $18, CO raises to $32, 3 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls $14.

Flop: ($74) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $40, Hero calls $40.

Turn: ($154) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $100, Hero calls $100.

River: ($354) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $150, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $504

Results in white below: 
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: CO wins $504. 

HAND 2 -

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

MP3 ($376.5)
CO ($150)
Button ($150.9)
SB ($440.7)
BB ($251.1)
Hero ($412.2)
UTG+1 ($500.4)
UTG+2 ($514)
MP1 ($379.5)
MP2 ($394)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $4. SB posts a blind of $2.
Hero raises to $18, 7 folds, SB (poster) raises to $60, 1 fold, Hero calls $44.

Flop: ($132) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $55, Hero calls $55.

Turn: ($242) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $75, Hero calls $75.

River: ($392) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $75, Hero calls $75.

Final Pot: $542

Results in white below: 
SB has Ah As (two pair, aces and sevens).
Hero has Kh Ks (two pair, kings and sevens).
Outcome: SB wins $542. 

HAND 3 - TILT and an action flop = I lose money

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 ($412.2)
MP1 ($228.8)
MP2 ($67.4)
MP3 ($720.7)
CO ($382.1)
Hero ($246.5)
SB ($604.6)
BB ($479.4)
UTG ($400)
UTG+1 ($432.3)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
3 folds, MP1 calls $4, MP2 calls $4, 1 fold, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $10, 2 folds, MP1 calls $6, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($40) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets $25, Hero calls $25, MP1 calls $25.

Turn: ($115) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets $100, Hero calls $211.50 (All-In), MP1 folds, CO calls $111.50.

River: ($538) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $538

Results in white below: 
CO has Kd 7d (full house, sevens full of kings).
Hero has 9c 8c (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: CO wins $538. 

HAND 4 - more TILT plus playing against shortstack

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

SB ($377.2)
BB ($108.3)
UTG ($160.9)
UTG+1 ($713.7)
UTG+2 ($233.1)
Hero ($419.8)
MP2 ($608.6)
MP3 ($491.4)
CO ($401.3)
Button ($367.8)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $18, 5 folds, BB calls $14, UTG folds.

Flop: ($42) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $25, BB raises to $50, Hero raises to $90, BB calls $40.30 (All-In), Hero calls $0.29.

Turn: ($222.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($222.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $222.60

Results in white below: 
BB has 3h 3d (one pair, threes).
Hero has Ac Kd (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins $222.60.

LuvDemNutz · #2 03-09-2005, 08:34 PM

Just glancing at this I see about $400 that I pissed away.

I really have a hard time understanding why I KNOW what I should do but I don't actually do it.

JKratzer · #3 03-09-2005, 08:48 PM

A general trend I noticed is that you are way too passive. First hand - you have KK, reraise preflop. He reraised, what hands do most people do this with? Premium pairs usually. With a Q and 10 on the flop you're behind everything but JJ. I'm guessing he had AA actually, but if you had reraised preflop you might have a better idea where you're at. As it is checking and calling on every street is hardly ever a good idea. Hand #2 is more or less the same, yeah you had KK and he had AA. You're usually gonna lose a stack on it, but that doesn't mean you should be so passive. Hand #3 you're aggressive, but its with a draw against someone that has shown they have a good hand. Your fold equity is probably pretty low and on the turn (when you push) you're not getting proper odds with only the river to come (even assuming all your outs are good, which you can't assume with a pair on board). Didn't read #4 (I'm tired).

Sorry to be blunt, trying to help. I'm sure others can be more helpful, that's just my take on it after a quick glance.

JKratzer

LuvDemNutz · #4 03-09-2005, 08:51 PM

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Sorry to be blunt, trying to help.

JKratzer

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Bluntness is fine by me.

The_Bends · #5 03-09-2005, 08:53 PM

Hand 1
I'd probably reraise the flop to negate his positional advantage and find out how much he likes his hand. When the flop comes you have to lead out or checkraise. I like leading the pot into the raiser and seeing is he repops you thinking you're trying to take it away. On the turn you have to put your money in reraise him the max, he could have any numbe of hnads you beat. On the river I think a call is easily justified given the weak bet
All in all you played incredible weak tight and either let him take you off the best hand or catch an A on the river. Disaster

Hand 2
Exactly the same hand but with an even less threatening flop given his raise. You have to raise him somewhere. It is very hard ot put him on AA without raising him at some point.

Hand 3
On the turn, given the almost 0% chance that he will fold and accepting also that you can not win without hitting a draw you should flat call. Rest seems fine

Hand 4
Seems fine to me, with him playing so short there are few options. Given the pot size once he reraises you and the chance he's just trying to take you off an auto flop lead I' d have to put him in.

You are playing very weak tight which is probably a reflection on the fact you're a limit player and possibly scared of NL betting.

My 0.02

phil_ivey_fan · #6 03-09-2005, 09:28 PM

Here are my thoughts w/ no reads on the players...

Hand1: pop him back preflop, make it 90$ to go. if reraised, you can lay it down knowing he has AA. If he calls, check raise him on the flop, if he comes over the top, fold cause you're beat w/ a set or AA.

Hand2: hard to get away from that one ;-) FWIW, I'd raise him on the flop, and try to get my money in.

Hand3: sorry, but I don't like it for two reasons...
1) the board paired on the flop, your flush or str8 could be dead.
2) its multiway, and you could be against a higher flush draw.
The flop call of $25 is ok, but I'm folding on the turn.

Hand4: touch situation. is he the type of player capable of moving on high cards?

Yeknom58 · #7 03-09-2005, 09:32 PM

Can you tell me what the hell you were doing with KK preflop in those 2 hands?

zaxx19 · #8 03-09-2005, 09:36 PM

On the first two I think your KK ran up against AA...its gonna happen and its gonna hurt if yur arent weak passive. Perhaps reraising to 85 in the first hand would have elicited a push....but then yu got a big decision anyway so...I mean in theory its a muck but its very difficult to let got of KK anytime preflop.\\

Hand 3 gets mucked on the turn you have no idea which outs are live and if you even wanna make your draws....he led weak at the flop...imho thats not a good sign given the turn bet.

soah · #9 03-09-2005, 09:37 PM

Your play on most of these hands looks much better than some of the alternative lines being suggested, which basically seem to be telling you to start shovelling money into the pot as fast as possible so that you can be completely certain that only better hands will call you. Getting information about your opponent's hand is nice, but you're not supposed to do it by putting your entire stack in the pot.

LuvDemNutz · #10 03-09-2005, 09:41 PM

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he led weak at the flop...imho thats not a good sign given the turn bet.

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This is an excellent point.