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Old 09-01-2005, 05:30 PM
jat850 jat850 is offline
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Default Missing info is the key-avoiding dangerous assumptions

Back to SSHE basic questions about the table that your individual stats do not answer... How many people play a "typical" hand? Remember, our basic assumption is of LOOSE (7+ players), not tight play until proven wrong in a small stakes game. Have you seen other players behind you cold call before? Or do they promptly El foldo to a raise? QJs can be a sweet hand under the right multi-way conditions. But you didn't tell us what game this is - 2/4 or 20/40!! You are smart enough to be testing your repliers. I am trying to avoid making ASSumptions that can make an *SS out of U and ME!! LOL. Under the above - I say PLAY IT because you did not provide me a reason NOT to make the cold call. Those reasons may exist, but not in information you provided.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:37 PM
chief444 chief444 is offline
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Default Re: Missing info is the key-avoiding dangerous assumptions

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Under the above - I say PLAY IT because you did not provide me a reason NOT to make the cold call.

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What about this...An EP player open raised, no one else has entered the pot, and you have QJ. I fold this at 2/4 and 20/40 so I don't see why the limit really matters.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:38 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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Default Re: An Incredibly Mundane Question About Cold-Calling

Thanks guys. I'll chalk it up to lack of discipline.

Had I been behind the laggy player and he had already folded it was certainly a fold. I figured it was fairly likely he would call and probably encourage another call. This didn't happen.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:44 PM
Stinkybeaver Stinkybeaver is offline
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Default Re: Missing info is the key-avoiding dangerous assumptions

If I play this I reraise I think you buy enough FE with one more SB that it is +EV compared with coldcalling.

I don't like playing this agianst a rock or whatever you like calling this 15/12 player.

However I believe that you can coldcall or reraise with KQ so can QJs be that much worse. I think not, but I still think you should try and find other players to do this "move" against.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:48 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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Default Re: Missing info is the key-avoiding dangerous assumptions

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If I play this I reraise I think you buy enough FE with one more SB that it is +EV compared with coldcalling.

I don't like playing this agianst a rock or whatever you like calling this 15/12 player.

However I believe that you can coldcall or reraise with KQ so can QJs be that much worse. I think not, but I still think you should try and find other players to do this "move" against.

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1. Cold-calling or reraising a solid EP raiser with KQo is pretty bad.

2. KQ and QJ are hugely different. There are like twice as many hands which dominate QJ as which dominate KQ.
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Old 09-01-2005, 06:26 PM
Hoi Polloi Hoi Polloi is offline
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Default Re: An Incredibly Mundane Question About Cold-Calling

Love the new avatar, E.
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