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Old 11-25-2004, 03:52 AM
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Default 45s 200-400 hand

6-handed 200-400 HE. UTG, a young loose aggressive player raises. A weak player playing scared money cold-calls, a tight, tough player cold calls on the button, I call in the big blind with 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

The flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I check, checked to the button who bets. I call, UTG folds, weak player thinks for a moment and calls.

The turn is the T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I check, the weak player checks, the button bets, I checkraise, the weak player tanks then folds, the button calls.

The river is the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet, the button raises. I three-bet, he four-bets, I call.

Thoughts? I think my play on all streets was debatable.

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Old 11-25-2004, 03:58 AM
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Default Re: 45s 200-400 hand

I don't particularly like the turn check-raise against these loose aggro types because it forces you to dedicate 3 bets to the pot regardless of whether you hit on the end or not. Granted you have a lot of equity here(if he isn't drawing to the higher flush) and you might have some folding equity --- so the turn check-raise might come out to be about neutral ev. The rest of the hand is good, I especially like the river, I think it's the perfect amount of bets.
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Old 11-25-2004, 08:32 AM
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Default Re: 45s 200-400 hand

your hand is strong enough here that leading out or checkraising the flop is generally going to be the better play. however, after taking the passive route on the flop i do like the checkraise on the turn if you think the button can fold his hand. i dont play anywhere near these limits tho.
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Old 11-25-2004, 05:34 PM
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Default Re: 45s 200-400 hand

I'll post some more thoughts in a bit, but one thing I definitely did consider was whether or not I could get the button to fold; I thought he'd fold many but his very best hands here.

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Old 11-25-2004, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: 45s 200-400 hand

Note that the only opponent I called loose aggressive was the only player to fold the flop. If the button had been loose aggressive, I think a turn checkraise becomes worse.

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Old 11-26-2004, 03:14 AM
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Default Re: 45s 200-400 hand

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Note that the only opponent I called loose aggressive was the only player to fold the flop. If the button had been loose aggressive, I think a turn checkraise becomes worse.

-Diplomat

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I didn't note that. I like it now.
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Old 11-25-2004, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: 45s 200-400 hand

looks like K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

i think you played it well on all streets. i love a turn check-raise in that spot. you put the guy playing scared money to the test and got him out of there, and the button could be betting a missed flop and fold to your turn c/r. also you have around 1.5 million outs.

i think you have to bet and 3-bet the river, and i don't think you can really 5-bet.
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Old 11-25-2004, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: 45s 200-400 hand

Nice play but too many raises on the river.
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Old 11-25-2004, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: 45s 200-400 hand

Since I checkraised the turn, I think 4 bets (or more) are fine on the river.

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Old 11-25-2004, 01:14 PM
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Default do these games exist in toronto?

i didnt know such high stakes existed in toronto. The only place i know for live is rama. where do you play?
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