I always pay off

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I call these down and write it off to metagame. If the board were significantly more dangerous i'd consider a fold.

Surf

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That adds up to be a pretty expensive metagame purchase.
I'm not saying I auto-fold (or even fold at all) in spots like this. I usually call too. But here's what happens inside my head:

Flop: *Yay, I hit an ace...time to bet my lock hand*

Turn: *Good card, I still feel pretty safe*....(Our House gets raised).....*WTF!! OK, I could be drawing dead, BUT...I think most likely either I have outs to his two pair or I can be ahead to a margin of error for his bad play...I'll call*

River: *SH!T I missed. But the pot's too big at this point....I only have to be good 1 in XX times....I CALL AGAIN*

(Disappointment sets as villain shows AK or A8 or his set)

*What a fish I am...I KNEW I should've mucked on the turn, but I keep doing this. I wonder if other 2+2ers also do this*

Can anyone relate?

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yeah feeling dumb in these spots is a common thing for me, but the times you do take down the pot UI feel extra good

[LoaferGee12]

I agree. I hate how I feel like on the turn I'm calling because I know I have outs to counterfeit/beat his two-pair, but then on the river when i never improve I have to call because of the pot-size. It's almost counter-inuitive.

[tolbiny]

dude i basically call down here with no pair top kicker.

[flawless_victory]

folding here would be absolutely horrible.
this post should be about whether to threebet here, jesus.

[mperich]

Against a 25/11 in the party 5/10?

-Mike

[flawless_victory]

yes.

[kiddo]

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The good players at 5/10 are much more rocks then at 10/20 and higher. And even good players slowplay out of position way to much. Even good players seems to think its a good move to checkcall flop and checkraise turn with a strong hand. In my book its a very fishy move that u use as deception, not as default. With a good hand out of position u play it fast, pretending u are on a draw or a pair u want to protect, hoping he will call down with unhit AJ.

3betting a VPIP25/PFR11 at $5/10 with toppair, ok kicker, at turn is a huge misstake.

If u have enough hands on him and his turnaggression is below 1.5 or something like that I think I could make myself fold. I could also see myself call turnraise and fold river if I dont hit (thinking he is on 2pair and I got 5 outs+3 more outs if board pairs). But normally call down both turn and river.

[scotty34]

I call this down almost always as well. I certainly get shown A2 or a diamond draw or other crap often enough.

[Michael Davis]

You're probably running bad and always looking at a set, but this would be a terrible fold in general. There are spots to make it, but you better know your opponent and how he will play a flopped ace/flopped monster and everything else really well.

-Michael

There're a couple good fellows who I'll fold this to. They make up, like, 10% of the player base, though. If I saw you make a couple of bet bet folds on a board like this I'd start raising for showdown like mad when we got together.