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Old 12-31-2005, 01:30 AM
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Default $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

I never lay down hands like this, but I did here. My read was only that I had played with both of these players before a few times, and they didn't get out of line. So I folded.

PartyPoker, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1030)
UTG+1 (t600)
MP1 (t1220)
MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t925)
CO+1 (t680)
CO (t975)
Button (t1215)
SB (t1355)
Hero (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, CO+1 calls t15, CO calls t15, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t5, Hero checks

Flop: (t75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t75</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO+1 folds</font>, CO calls t75, SB calls t75

Turn: (t300) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t300</font>, <font color="red">CO raises t600</font>, <font color="red">SB raises t1200</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:35 AM
swiftrhett swiftrhett is offline
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Default Re: $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

I call this. So, your fold turned out good?
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

Bet, raise, re-raise on that board. Don't see that too often on a board like that.

If your read is correct, I'd have to say that you made a nice laydown.

But I wouldn't expect too many other people on this site to agree with it. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:39 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

wow, nice lay down. I guess you're up against 2 FH's... that is discipline, but the 2 villains were shouting "I have you beaten, no I have you beaten!"
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:44 AM
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Default Re: $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

i wouldn't fold in this situation. however, the pot wouldn't be this big if were playing this hand either.
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

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I call this. So, your fold turned out good?

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What good is a worthless brag post without the brag?

I can't recall ever folding anything like this in 3000+ SNGs though, so if there is a lesson to be learned here, it is do not make this laydown.
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

Probably a good fold. I would make the turn bet smaller.
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:56 AM
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Default Re: $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

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i wouldn't fold in this situation. however, the pot wouldn't be this big if were playing this hand either.

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What would you have done to make the pot smaller?

I think the OP played the hand very well. And I rarely find people's heroic laydowns are good folds. I think this is a great fold, but doubt I'd have the discipline to do it (and doubt this fact costs me much money).
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:04 AM
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Default Re: $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

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Old 12-31-2005, 06:10 AM
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Default Re: $55: I make a Hellmuthian laydown, and can\'t believe I do it

I have done laydowns like this a few times and overall I'd probably would have made more chips if I never did it.

But then again, none of those times have been against two seemingly solid players in the $55s. It is probably a good fold here, but there are two flush draws and an ace out there (plus your kicker is pretty good). But with the strong message they both are sending you, your hand probably isn't good.
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