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Old 11-28-2005, 12:14 AM
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Should I just give up playing online? For starters I really don't trust it. Second I feel it is way too volatile.

Thoughts?

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The first thing you have to understand about online poker is that everybody wins. Everyone who responded to your post bragged about how well they are doing. [Maybe not overtly, but the implication is there.] They kill the online games. How many people have you talked to who don't clean up playing online?

I have trouble beating the online games. I don't win anywhere near what I should be winning facing the competition I'm facing--which is the weakest I've ever seen anywhere.

I make 90% of my income playing live with real people. I know lots of great players who can't win playing online. And when I say win, I mean win significantly. As bad as the players are I should be KILLING online poker, but I'm not. How often do I have to beat my head against the wall before I figure out that making $10 an hour playing online is a waste of my time.

I hang out here to help my girlfriend. She used to watch me play and said she'd like to give it a try. So she watched me, and I explained what I was doing and why. She started with $100 and did the rakeback, bonus thing whenever possible. I'd read the boards and fill her in on all the latest deals and utilites to make the game go more smoothly. But I wouldn't let her use Poker Tracker. I told her that was just a crutch that you wouldn't be able to use when you started playing live, so why become dependent upon something that you should be doing for yourself with your own observational skills. [Of course this is where all of the online geniuses say, "well you don't win because you don't use Poker Tracker," which of course is nonesense, but it makes them feel superior.] Use your brain and you can beat the game; you just won't be able to beat it for much. You don't need any crutches. Just pay attention, play solid poker, play within your bankroll, and you'll know what to do.

So she played and grinded and got bonuses and now she has about $3000 and she's thrilled. [A large chunk of that is from bonuses, by the way--A year and a half later.]

Online poker: I don't trust it one bit, but I still play once in a while. If you can't see em shuffle, deal and cut the cards you'd better be damn careful especially when the only outlet you have to complain to is the site itself.

But like I said everybody here wins, so take what I say and what everyone else says with a very large grain of salt.

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Totally agree. Thanks for the input!
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Old 11-28-2005, 12:19 AM
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Default Re: Should I give up online poker?

Thanks to Mike Haven and Bob for the advice.
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Old 11-28-2005, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: Should I give up online poker?

Learn Omaha/8 and switch to PLO8 as fast as you can. You play a half-decent game and you will win consistently.
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Old 11-28-2005, 02:39 AM
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I was reading your post and nodding my head about alot of things you said. Does it seem like online poker is rigged sometimes? It does to me sometimes too. Of course that defies what all the experts and experienced posters here say and given their success who am I to argue?

I am not one of the young pups here who find making unkind remarks and insults to anyone's benefit and I feel badly when someone asks for sincere input from his comrades and just gets smart ass remarks.

Like you, I've been playing poker for many years(since the late 80s) then I started playing on the internet back around 8yrs ago when Casino Coco opened up (Planet Poker). Not only have I noticed that poker has changed over the years but internet poker has changed too. I think people watching final tables on TV has alot to do with it. There are so many dummies playing now which I know is supposed to be a good thing. In a live game it seems so much easier to get the chips than online. The reasons are easy to see... If you are not "technically" equipped with your PT, your PA, your PTA, you're flying blind most of the time and playing holdem might as well be a crap shoot when noone respects your raise and you find yourself sitting with AA against 5 other people that called. I've found that say on Party Poker it doesn't matter how much money is in the game, it means nothing to so many people. You might be moving up to play 10-20 and that's a big game. But it might be pennies to the other players. Sometimes I go watch the really high limit players. They play just as bad. Obviously they can afford it, good for them. Some 16 years ago, when I decided I really wanted to learn I ordered every Sklansky book I could from the Gamblers Book Store (and ok I admit it, I got Capeletti's book too but that's another story) and I still remember his "beware of AQ".... These days, any ace is in with any other card, it's raised, it's called, it's just not the same poker world any more. The odds are the odds are the odds, this I know. The problem for me with online holdem is the rate at which the odds are defied but it can be understood when realizing 1) the players see no buggars & 2) so many hands are being generated that we notice it more readily . Other disadvantages: 1) no audio-visual tells & 2) whether we are in fact playing the same person we see on screen as opposed to his wife, girlfriend, kid or cat for one or more hand which then messes with our thinking of his play.

Does this mean the game is not beatable? Of course not as observed from this forum. But for me it has meant changing my play and my games. Whereas I am very comfortable in a medium to high limit live holdem game, I struggle with any "limit" holdem game online so I play PL. I also play alot of omaha hi-lo. I've had to adjust my thinking too. I don't assume the raise means something specific, something I'd recognize in live play, it could mean something or nothing and I may not get a chance to get a good read on anyone so I must rely on the odds. My problems come into play when I play at something I am not comfortable with, so by trial and error I have found a comfort zone.

And maybe that's all it is with you too, finding the place in online poker where you fit in, where you feel comfortable playing whether it's a different limit, a different game, a different site.

Best wishes whatever you decide but don't let the 2 second bratty responses make you think you're a bad player if you've been a winning live game player.

And that folks is this slow & steady grinder woman's 2 cents!
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:23 AM
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Gabbyyyyy, Are you playing the same limits online and live? I think it is generally accepted that the equivalent online game is much tougher. You say the players are just as bad online, but if you're playing the same limits, they're not. Also, you see a lot more bad plays online because you see a lot more plays. This may be the reason you think online players suck just as bad as live players.
Finally, tilting online costs more. Tilting for ten minutes online, because of the increased number of hands, is very expensive. (Though I'm sure we all do it) Reducing your propensity to tilt would make a good start to beginning to win online.
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:29 AM
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Default Re: Should I give up online poker?

i made like 35-40,000 my first year playing ( and that was while moving from .25/.50 up to 5/10. i've made like 10,000 so far in this first month of my second year playing. there's something you aren't doing right because there's a lot that i'm sure i'm doing wrong and i'm doing very well.
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:32 AM
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Should I give up poker?

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Yes

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Old 11-28-2005, 04:47 AM
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Default Re: Should I give up online poker?

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If you are not "technically" equipped with your PT, your PA, your PTA, you're flying blind most of the time

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Nope.

I don't use any of this and do just fine with notes on players.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:21 AM
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Default Re: Should I give up online poker?

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If you are not "technically" equipped with your PT, your PA, your PTA, you're flying blind most of the time

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Nope.

I don't use any of this and do just fine with notes on players.

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you're selling yourself short wether you want to accept it or not. i thought i was doing just fine without it too until i got it and my winrate went way up.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:54 AM
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No offense, but if you think online poker is rigged, play online poker, and lose while playing online poker, you should not gamble.
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