you make the call. Bellagio floor decision

[jayheaps]

triple draw round of a 40 mixed game. 2 players. Player A in small blind and player B on the button.

After the second draw. player A check raises player B and player B 3-bets. Player A call.

Now, Player B taps the table out of turn to indicate he is pat. Player A taps as well. Now Player B wants to break his hand.

Should he be allowed to?

[Spook]

acting out of turn does not entitle you to change your mind later. (althought he may change his mind if no one else acts after his declaration.)
He must stay pat.

[jayheaps]

thats not what bellagio says, though I completely agree with you

[highlife]

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acting out of turn does not entitle you to change your mind later. (althought he may change his mind if no one else acts after his declaration.)
He must stay pat.

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I agree, its the same as if you bet out of turn and its checked to you. You MUST bet, or in this situation you MUST check.

[AngusThermopyle]

Do you know what the rule is at the Bellagio? If the floorman based his decision on the rule, then you don't have a problem with the decision, you have a problem with the rule.

Unfortunately, there is no uniformity on this and many other rules.

[MarkGritter]

What a horrific angle shoot. (Which unfortunately is all too common in draw lowball games.) The out of turn actor obviously wants to induce a break so he can stand pat with his 9 or weak 8.

I think that acting in the best interest of the game requires him to stand pat if he has indicated so, even out of turn. But, I can easily see how the cardroom rules might not make the out of turn action binding.

[timprov]

Awful.

In draw games, the only way you could unknowingly act out of turn is if you thought your opponent was pat. So I'd rule that he couldn't change his action after finding out Player A actually was pat.