Bad spot with JJ

ajmargarine · #1 11-14-2005, 08:17 PM

.50/$1 NLHE Full Table

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG minraises to $2, Hero calls $2, 4 folds, 2 calls, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.25) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (4 players) </font>
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, 2 calls, UTG folds.

Turn: ($29) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (3 players) </font>
Hero???

First calling villian is a big LAG. If he had A or K spade, he pushes the flop. If he already had a flush, he's probably pushing. He's pushed a number of times already with the nuts, with air, or with a draw, so I think he might have 9x. Second calling villian is unknown to me. I got about $70 behind and they both cover me. Comments welcome.

4_2_it · #2 11-14-2005, 08:22 PM

No re-raise pre-flop? That said, bet $20 on turn and plan on vakue betting a non-spade river. Obviously, fold to any aggression. No way am I putting my stack in here.

ajmargarine · #3 11-14-2005, 08:33 PM

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No re-raise pre-flop?

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Nope. A preflop call should mean I am playing for set value, so I should be maybe checking that flop OOP?!?
No set = No bet.

#4 11-14-2005, 08:35 PM

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No re-raise pre-flop? That said, bet $20 on turn and plan on vakue betting a non-spade river. Obviously, fold to any aggression. No way am I putting my stack in here.

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Hero is UTG+2 at a full ring, so the smoothcall makes sense to me. And yeah, $20 seems right on the turn. If someone wakes up on the turn, I fold. If called, I think I check/call a reasonable bet on the turn.

4_2_it · #5 11-14-2005, 08:37 PM

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No set = No bet.

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That's the guidance, but I often can't resist betting the overpair either. It has to be a leak, hopefully it's only a small one.

I suck at playing JJ OOP (this type of hand would be good for one of your "how's your line" polls).

sourbeaver · #6 11-14-2005, 08:52 PM

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No set = No bet.

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This is an interesting topic, in fact I just started a thread on the whole JJ subject.

Most times I've played JJ for set value and then started betting the overpair, it has gotten me in trouble. It's a marginal spot because the medium-high level of uncertainty allows us to make bigger mistakes.