A players leaves the table for a several minutes...

top-spin · #1 06-15-2005, 12:02 AM

I have a regular home game.. Sometimes a guy will go take a break, smoke or whatever. What we've been doing is posting the blinds from the empty seats while they are gone. That's been working ok. The problem is when someone busts out and then they wanna take a break before they re-buy and come back in. Should they post a big blind as soon as they sit back down? Do they have to wait for the button to pass? I played in Atlantic City only once and i noticed that when a guy left the dealer put little SB BB chips at the seat. What's the rule on that.. what if you miss like 3 big blinds... if the dude who wants to rebuy misses 3 big blinds does he pay 3BB then 3SB's to get back in?

Sorry to be so noobed about this. !

tubalkain · #2 06-15-2005, 01:12 AM

If it's a tourney, they're done and out when they miss a hand.

If it's a ring game, he can either re-enter the game by posting the BB in turn without penalty or post a BB and dead SB in any other non-blind, non-button position.

top-spin · #3 06-15-2005, 01:27 AM

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If it's a tourney, they're done and out when they miss a hand.

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Thanks for the second info that makes a lot of sense.. but the first info? What about those guys at WSOP that take forever to show up, aren't those blinds just posted? Or is it once they play the FIRST hand they're commited to playing all the hands unless there is a general break?

theWhale · #4 06-15-2005, 02:04 AM

Yes they are blinded off. John Murphy lost 200k in chips to the blinds when he was late last year on day 4(?).

bolgenmod · #5 06-15-2005, 02:09 AM

I believe he's talking about rebuy tournaments: if you bust and don't rebuy right away, you're out. In most regular tournaments, yes, you lose a small and big blind every orbit that you miss. In a ring game, you miss only one small and one big blind no matter how many orbits you miss.

The difference is that in a ring game, the blinds are like a payment for an orbit -- if it's 10-20 10-handed (just to make the math easy), you are paying 15 to see 10 hands whether you play them or not. So if you're away from the table for 3 orbits, you only pay for one orbit. That's also why many B&M players "play to their blind" before they leave: they figure they've paid for their hands and may as well play until they will have to pay another blind.

In a tournament, the blinds are also payment, but they are penalty as well. A fixed amount of chips (no rebuys) and an escalating blind are part of the whole point of a tournament: you have to play sooner or later or everyone would fold into the money. And if the blinds aren't taken out for every orbit you are in (whether you are at the table or not), one could theoretically pay the entry fee and just not show up until late in the tournament and still make it into the money. I've heard stories about people online who lose connection during a tournament, and when they get the connection back after an hour or so are still in contention, so I guess it could happen.

And those WSOP player (Hellmuth) who miss their blinds have pre-paid for a seat, so they get their chips at their assigned seat whether they are there at the start of the tournament or not. They are then blinded down until they show up. There are some rules about when the missing player's chips will be removed, but they're even more complicated. So it's not like Hellmuth (or others) show up for the start of the tourny and then leave -- he shows up an hour or two late, and his stack is just smaller by however many blinds he's missed.

Anyway, I hope this clears it up a little: I'm hitting the bourbon as I peruse 2+2, so I may not be that clear. But since only one person answered you, I thought I'd take a crack at it!

Mr Meaner · #6 06-15-2005, 10:46 AM

A player can sit out hands in a tourney or cash game if they wants to. In a tourney, if the blinds come to him while he is out he just pays the blinds but his cards are mucked. In a cash game he will be given a missing blind marker and will have to pay the blind if he missed it while he was out. Normally in a Casino if you miss three orbits they will pick up your chips and you have to get back on the waiting list to play again.

That's also why many B&M players "play to their blind".

I think what he meant to say was players will play the entire orbit back to the button before they decide to leave and have to pay a blind again. That and the fact fo the button posistion.

Drunken Monkey · #7 06-15-2005, 05:09 PM

I think the OP was more concerned about rebuys than just players not playing.

In my home game tourney we allow rebuys the first hour. If a player busts out in the first hour they are given the option to rebuy back in for the same cost and amount of chips everyone started with. They must decide to buy back in before it is their blind (big or small). So the longest time any player will have to wait will be if they busted out while they were in the SB.

Once you miss a blind you are relieved of chance to buy back in.

There is a difference that a player not having chips wishing to rebuy than a player that having chips and is not present at the table.

EStreet20 · #8 06-15-2005, 07:20 PM

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What about those guys at WSOP that take forever to show up, aren't those blinds just posted? Or is it once they play the FIRST hand they're commited to playing all the hands unless there is a general break?

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Those chips arer paid for, they can walk away whenever they want and their blinds are posted. You're referring to a player leaving a rebuy tourney and then rebuying, which is illegal. The only way a player can do this is re-buy immediately after busting and then have his blinds posted if he leaves.

Good luck,
Matt