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Old 01-20-2005, 07:08 AM
vanHelsing vanHelsing is offline
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Default Top 2 pair on river

Villain kind of owns me. Even when I have position on him, it is like he is in my head or as he stands behind me and looks in my cards.
His stats VP$40 PFR7 WTSD16 WonSD65
He likes to slowplay the flop, even more when I am behind him, bc he knows I play my hands fast. He loves to CR the turn. He could be slowplaying TP and up.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($37.5)</font>
UTG ($48.3)
MP ($15)
Button ($17.08)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($136.1)</font>

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.75. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, MP (poster) checks, Button folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($6.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.
I feared him slowplaying 2 pair or better and checked behind. Might even induce him to bet a weaker hand on river.
River: ($6.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $15</font>, Hero?
Big overbet, what does that mean. Sure, a possible set or str8. Would he overbet 2 pair that hard? Cant tell.
Do you put him on a set or better and fold without hesitation? I was lost...
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Old 01-20-2005, 07:15 AM
pindawg pindawg is offline
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Default Re: Top 2 pair on river

I'd call. Looks like a scare card steal to me, or he could have a weaker two pair. Hard to say unless you've seen him overbet the river with the nuts before.
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Old 01-20-2005, 09:02 AM
kim2005 kim2005 is offline
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Default Re: Top 2 pair on river

u have position and u check ..... make u hard decision.
top 2 pair , I am going to call
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Old 01-20-2005, 09:09 AM
greg nice greg nice is offline
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Default Re: Top 2 pair on river

what kim said is right.

if you induce him to bet, and he bets, whats the problem?
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Old 01-20-2005, 09:37 AM
vanHelsing vanHelsing is offline
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Default Re: Top 2 pair on river

[ QUOTE ]
what kim said is right.

if you induce him to bet, and he bets, whats the problem?

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the problem is the extreme overbet
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Old 01-20-2005, 09:53 AM
Biff M. Biff M. is offline
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Default Re: Top 2 pair on river

I know you wanna keep the pot small, but I think a turn bet is in order anyway. He might still just call and lead out the river, but why give free cards? With accurate reads it's something different though.
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Old 01-20-2005, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: Top 2 pair on river

He has a nine. Bet the turn unless you're very certain you can induce a sufficient river bluff. And if that's what happened... then why bother posting this?
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Old 01-21-2005, 10:34 AM
vanHelsing vanHelsing is offline
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for those who care: he had 77 for the set.
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Old 01-21-2005, 10:38 AM
MarkL444 MarkL444 is offline
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Default Re: Top 2 pair on river

This turn is absolutely terrible. You have to bet to protect your hand!! There are straight draws, flush draws, overcards. Im betting the pot on the turn.
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