stat collection post

[lil feller]

Are these full ring Eric. I always feel like I play so loose in the 15, and my VPIP is like 18. I wonder what you're playing that i'm not to get to 21.8.

My PFR is about 10...interesting. I don't have my PT stuff handy, but i'll post it later.

lf

[molawn2mo]

hands: 25,216
showdowns not folded: 1,899
high card: won $ 15.15/198
1 pair: 41.08/707
2 pair: 53.89/470
trips: 72.86/172
str8: 88.78/118
flush: 87.50/105
full: 89.13/115
4 of a kind: 100.00/11
royal fl 100.00/1
str8 fl 100.00/2


vp$ip: 17.58
pfr: 11.35
postflop AF: 2.08
went to showdown: 35.32

edit for 10/20 limit

[krishanleong]

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hands: 77,492
showdowns not folded: 10,865
high card: won $ 16.39% 1,005 times
1 pair: 35.88% 2,923
2 pair: 53.4% 1.844
trips: 75.16% 630
str8: 83% 432
flush: 76.72% 314
full: 86.73% 375
4 of a kind: 94.12% 25



vp$ip: 21.8%
pfr: 12.19%
postflop AF: 2.4
went to showdown: 36.24%

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I can only imagine you are running cold. An aweful W$SD with 1 pair and flushes. I've done similiar analysis in the past here.

link

Krishan

[Brom]

These hands are a mix of 10/20 and 15/30.
VPIP: 15.95%
PFR: 10.53%
Postflop AF: 2.33
Went to SD: 34.38%

Total Hands: 35591
"Went to SD": 2143 (I think that's the column you wanted, all hand numbers came from this column anyways)

1P: 818 / 49.14%
2P: 698 / 66.33%
Trips: 163 / 72.39%
Straight: 108 / 83.33%
Flush: 104 / 86.54%
FH: 107 / 88.79%
Quads: 20 / 80.0%
Straight Flush: 0 / Boo
Royal Flush: 1 / Awesome

This database was started around mid-summer, I'd say about the beginning of July. I start new databases frequently, and don't have an all encompassing one to work with. Is there a way to put them all in one?

[elindauer]

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Are these full ring Eric. I always feel like I play so loose in the 15, and my VPIP is like 18. I wonder what you're playing that i'm not to get to 21.8.

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I'd only be guessing, but I'd speculate that we play differently from the late position and the blinds. If you're anything like the players I've coached, I may even play tighter than you in early position.

I steal a lot, and I defend a lot. When I choose to play, I'm aggressive and stubborn. I try to play ring games the same way I play shorthanded from the same position.

-Eric

[elindauer]

Thanks krishan, this is actually the post I was referring to in the OP. Can you tell us how these hands were collected? Were they all played by you? Random people? At what limits?

My goal is to find these numbers for tight-aggressive play in a particular game. If your 400K database already represents this, then it will save me some time... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

thanks,
eric

[krishanleong]

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Thanks krishan, this is actually the post I was referring to in the OP. Can you tell us how these hands were collected? Were they all played by you? Random people? At what limits?

My goal is to find these numbers for tight-aggressive play in a particular game. If your 400K database already represents this, then it will save me some time... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

thanks,
eric

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I can't remember. It was from a post title "post your Misc stats tab here", or something like that. There were 4-5 people from 5/10 or 10/20 shorthand who posted screenshots of their misc tab in that thread which is what I based my analysis of. (In combination with my own stats)

Krishan

[hobbsmann]

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Shant is your WTSD around 30% for all your levels of full ring?

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Between 31-34% from 2/4 and up. I saw this was lower than elindauer's %. Is this too low or something?

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Mine is around 37% and I think it is a stat that should increase as you move up in levels as in general the games are getting more aggresive and you will often want to be showing down more hands. A month or so ago while browsing the archives I came across a Nate Tha' Great post where he talked about his WTSD being 40%+ in the 10/20 6max game and that in his opinion most people here were not showing down as much is truely optimal.

I'm not sure how other 2+2'ers stack up, but I'm guessing if you are under 35%ish at 10/20+ you are sacrificing value in a fair amount of marginal situations.

[elindauer]

The reason I started this post is that, after reading Krishan's post, it looked to me like I was running bad. Since I'm winning over 2BB / 100, I found this pretty encouraging in an odd kind of way, but wanted to check this conclussion.

Since my data is somewhat biased, here are the totals from the 190K hands, not including mine, from players with pretty similar styles, at least, judging by the stats:

high card: win% 17%
1 pair: 43.6%
2 pair: 57.4%
trips: 71.9%
str8: 83.3%
flush: 84.7%
full: 87.6%
4 of a kind: 95.3%


And I didn't do str8-flushes, for no reason in particular.

I also calculated the % of your showdown hands that should be "premium" hands, ie, trips or better. This came out to 23.9%.

These stats are right in line with Krishan's findings, so we now have 600 - 700K worth of data suggesting these winrates are standard for TAG play and give a good baseline for judging if you are running well or running bad.


On a personal level, I conclude that I'm getting an average number of premium hands, but both my premium hands and my 1 pair hands are holding up at substantially lower than normal rates. The forecast: good things to come in 2006!


Thanks to all who participated.
Eric

[lil feller]

Do you think its possible that your 1 pair percentage is low because you're running bad, or because you're showing down too many 1 pair hands? Or maybe a combination of the two? I'm not trying to imply anything, I just wonder if having a % that low is an indication that your WTSD% w/ 1 pair is too high. Just a thought.

lf