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Old 12-20-2005, 05:48 PM
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Default 15/30 LO8 turn decision

Maybe standard just want feedback.

7-handed game super loose. UTG plays lots of trashy hands and goes too far with them and plays the flop and turn overly aggressive. Probably a Limit Hold Em player by trade.

Hero is in middle position with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Limped family pot.

Flop is 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Checked to UTG who bets, Hero calls, everyone else folds.

Turn is A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG Bets, Hero folds/calls/raises?

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Old 12-20-2005, 06:24 PM
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was this yesterday on party?
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:30 PM
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Fold? Clearly?
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

Beset - Fold.

There's a fair chance one of your seven opponents was dealt 25XY, and if so, Villain is betting as though he is the one who was dealt it.

Does Villain really have 25XY or not?

Whether he does or doesn't, it's probably going to cost Hero two big bets to see the showdown. Even if the river is the miracle non-diamond five, Hero probably only gets half the pot if he does somehow end up with a winner.

I don't think it's worth risking $60.00 (in an attempt to win only $67.50) to find out if Villain really has 25XY or not.

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Old 12-20-2005, 08:34 PM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

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was this yesterday on party?

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It may have been. Somebody else actually played this hand I thought they donked it up and I posted it here to settle the dispute. Were you involved in this hand?
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:42 PM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

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Fold? Clearly?

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Beset - Fold.

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Shorthanded, loose aggressive game with a loose player betting into you doesn't change anything? I agree folding is best FWIW but the person i discussed this hand with almost had me sold on a different line. The argument being that this card is more likely to have hurt him then helped him. I see a lot of mid and high-limit players raising in spots like this.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:30 PM
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Hero insta-folds. Not close.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:01 AM
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Fold? Clearly?

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Beset - Fold.

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Shorthanded, loose aggressive game with a loose player betting into you doesn't change anything? I agree folding is best FWIW but the person i discussed this hand with almost had me sold on a different line. The argument being that this card is more likely to have hurt him then helped him. I see a lot of mid and high-limit players raising in spots like this.

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Maybe I am reading it wrong, but the pot doesn't look big enough to chase a 5, and even if you hit that card there's no guarantee you scoop. If you miss, you have a poor kicker with your Ace, so you could easily be up against a garbage low (but better than yours if the river spikes a low card) and an ace with a better kicker. I think the player is spewing money by continuing to play this hand, unless he'd doing it for advertising value.
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Old 12-21-2005, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: 15/30 LO8 turn decision

I think this is a fold.

Your high is weak (pair of Aces with a nine kicker). The only low card you will really like is a five and that probably will only get you half the pot. You could easily drawing for low to win one quarter of the pot.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:09 PM
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you have a PAIR OF ACES. how can you fold that.
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