Are these river calls standard?

pokerjunky · #1 12-13-2005, 01:06 AM

Assume all opponents are moderately aggressive.

PokerRoom 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 raises, 4 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP1 raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

PokerRoom 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

PokerRoom 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
7 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

SNOWBALL138 · #2 12-13-2005, 01:12 AM

I'm folding the Q9 hand on the turn. It looks like villain slowplayed a flopped straight or was waiting for the turn to come off low so he could raise with his top pair. I don't want to pay 2bb to find out what I already know: I am way way behind.

Harv72b · #3 12-13-2005, 01:20 AM

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I'm folding the Q9 hand on the turn. It looks like villain slowplayed a flopped straight or was waiting for the turn to come off low so he could raise with his top pair. I don't want to pay 2bb to find out what I already know: I am way way behind.

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If this wasn't a SB vs. BB battle, I'd agree with you. But when it's down to just the blinds I don't give a while lot of respect to turn raises on draw-heavy boards; I'm calling down.

I call down on the first two hands as well.

billy51 · #4 12-13-2005, 01:35 AM

I fold the turn with the Q9 hand. Sure, every once in a while you will be folding the best hand here, but I think you are behind too often to call down profitably given the size of the pot.

#5 12-13-2005, 01:43 AM

I think first hand is a pretty standard call - you're getting 15.5-1 on your money, so you only have to be right a small percentage of the time to be profitable. The last two hands I'm not so sure about. The 2nd hand looks a lot like a made straight, two pair, or small set - against that range you may have 6 outs. I probably fold the river unimproved without more of a read than "moderately aggresive". The third hand is more read-dependent than anything else. If this player will defend with any two and will raise with overcards - then it's an easy call down. If they're more selective, well, I guess hope they hit a 7 or raised the turn with a flush draw or j-9, because this is hard not to call, even though a better two pair is very possible with this board

Jake (The Snake) · #6 12-13-2005, 01:53 AM

Yeah I've seen enough crazy [censored] in blind battles that its going to usually take a really ugly board (or super read) for me to lay down second pair.

Other two seem fine to me as well, but arguments could be made depending on the opponent probably.