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Old 12-09-2005, 04:08 PM
elindauer elindauer is offline
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Someone once posted about the odds of 1 pair / 2 pair etc winning at showdown, along with the expected frequency of these hands. This is a great way to determine if you are currently running well / running bad, provided that you are otherwise a winning player.

The problem with this post for me is that I don't know what limit the hands were played at, or the style of the poster. Playing weak-tight vs LAG vs TAG vs LP at 100/200 vs .5/1 etc is going to have, I think, a big impact on these things. A lot fewer hands even reach a showdown as the limits go up.

In an effort to fine tune this research, I'm trying to find these numbers for TAG play in the party mid limits.


Check out the misc tab in pokertracker, select the "only show hands that went to showdown" button, and then please post the following for all hands played between 10/20 and 20/40 at partypoker:

# of hands
% win with 1 pair
% win with 2 pair
% win with trips
% win with str8
% win with flush
% win with full house

and number of times dealt all of the above.


In an effort to do a little filtering on these stats, please include the following general description of your play:

pfr
vp$ip
vp$ip not a blind
postflop AF


If you want to break the numbers out by limit that would be even better (can this be done easily in pokertracker?). Otherwise, perhaps you could mention what limits you play.

If possible, please limit your stats to only those from this year.

Finally, if possible please limit your hands to those played with at least 7 players at the table.

I'll collect the data for a few days and then make a summary post with interesting stats.


thanks,
Eric
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Old 12-09-2005, 04:34 PM
elindauer elindauer is offline
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hands: 77,492
showdowns not folded: 10,865
high card: won $ 16.39% 1,005 times
1 pair: 35.88% 2,923
2 pair: 53.4% 1.844
trips: 75.16% 630
str8: 83% 432
flush: 76.72% 314
full: 86.73% 375
4 of a kind: 94.12% 25



vp$ip: 21.8%
pfr: 12.19%
postflop AF: 2.4
went to showdown: 36.24%
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:14 PM
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Default Re: stat collection post

I may be an idiot for this, but I'm having a hard time finding these percentages or the "showdown" checkbox. I'm looking under "Misc. Tabs" so maybe you're referring to these things with a different wording?
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:19 PM
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Hi shant,

In the main pokertracker screen, there are several tabs labelled "general info", "session notes" ...

Click the one named "Misc. Stats".

In this screen, the top table is called "Known Final Hand Summary". Way to the right is a checkbox "Show Only Hands That Were Not Folded". Click that.

Now report the Hands Won $ and Won $ at SD columns.

To get the general stats, click the "General Info" main tab.

Now Click the "More Detail..." button at the top right of the first table. In this popup, you can find VP$IP, VP$IP not a blind, pfr, Went to SD, etc. Deselect the "Include Preflop numbers in Total Aggression Factor calculation" button to make sure your AF is postflop only.


-Eric
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:34 PM
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Thanks I was figuring those were the ones you were talking about but didn't want to ruin the stats collection. Here are mine, from 10/20 & 15/30:

hands: 39,233
showdowns not folded: 4,163
high card: won $ 20.10% 327 times
1 pair: 45.25% 1,127
2 pair: 57.82% 736
trips: 74.89% 304
str8: 83.33% 169
flush: 87.84% 175
full: 85.14% 175
4 of a kind: 100% 16



vp$ip: 18.53%
pfr: 12.17%
postflop AF: 2.04
went to showdown: 30.88%
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:43 PM
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Shant is your WTSD around 30% for all your levels of full ring?
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Old 12-09-2005, 07:49 PM
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Shant is your WTSD around 30% for all your levels of full ring?

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Between 31-34% from 2/4 and up. I saw this was lower than elindauer's %. Is this too low or something?
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:17 PM
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Limit: 15/30
Total hands: 61,625
high card -- 14.48% -- 544/798 (hands won $/total times)
1 pair -- 39.19% -- 1814/2835
2 pair -- 54.89% -- 1238/1898
trips -- 70.95% -- 459/572
straight -- 83.66% -- 288/330
flush -- 81.09% -- 246/291
boat -- 90.23% -- 309/344

VPIP - 20.48%
PFR - 11.17%
AF - 2.18
WtSD - 33.38%

One thing you should keep in mind. If we play correctly, we should be folding more losers than the average player, so the stats may show that our hands "hold up" more than they actually do, because we're able to get away from them before showdown.
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Old 12-10-2005, 12:42 AM
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Default Re: step by step

[ QUOTE ]
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Shant is your WTSD around 30% for all your levels of full ring?

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Between 31-34% from 2/4 and up. I saw this was lower than elindauer's %. Is this too low or something?

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your showdown % is right where it should be based on your preflop stats, imo. but at 15/30, 34% is better than 30% or else you're getting pushed around some.
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:01 AM
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10/20 and 15/30
29,309 hands
2,306 showdowns

high card: won $ SD 19.75%, 228 times dealt
1 pair: 45.83%, 876
2 pair: 54.39%, 575
trips: 68.67%, 216
str8: 77.97%, 123
flush: 83.19%, 128
full: 82.57%, 126
4 of a kind: 100%, 8


vp$ip - 19.31%
pfr - 12.02%
postflop AF - 1.83
went to SD - 36.89%

looks like i'm too much of a calldown monkey
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