AK oop vs TAG; turn plan?

jba · #1 12-07-2005, 12:51 AM

typical 24/17/2 TAG, nothing out of line

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, MP calls, CO calls, SB folds.

Flop: (7 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP folds, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

#2 12-07-2005, 01:18 AM

check, check
check, bet, call.

#3 12-07-2005, 01:56 AM

But why

Blunderfull1 · #4 12-07-2005, 02:13 AM

i was thinking fire away at first, but given the read I want to check. He could have a flush draw, but a pocket pair is likely as well. Now Im thinking I have to fire away. If raised its an easy fold, but dont want to give a free card to a draw. Interested to see what others think.

Somekid · #5 12-07-2005, 02:19 AM

I like bet/fold.

We need to look at the range that the Villain limps here. He probably has a weak suited connector or a small pp. I think he's unlikely to bluff-raise a turn with nothing. So you can bet in the hopes of winning the pot immediately.

If he does raise, calling may not be so bad. Most of you overcard outs may be good, although I think bet/fold is better since he might be limping Ax.

#6 12-07-2005, 02:30 AM

Because he isn't folding anything that beats us, but he might bet his QJ and JTs UI.

Somekid · #7 12-07-2005, 02:34 AM

But wouldn't we prefer winning the pot right away?

StellarWind · #8 12-07-2005, 03:06 AM

Checkfold. Our sensible 24/17 opponent has limped behind another player and then called the flop. Cases:

1A. Small pocket pair hit set. 0 outs.
1B. Small pocket pair calling down. 6 outs.

2. Axs/Kxs flopped pair (else why call). 3 outs.

3A. Small connector cards flopped pair. 6 outs.
3B. Small connector pair flopped straight draw and hit something on the turn. 0-6 outs.

4. Flush draw (Axs/Kxs/connectors)
A. Already paired. 2-4 outs.
B. Not paired. Villain has 12-21 outs and will often take the free card.

Certainly you may be ahead here. But unless this opponent frequently floats in this situation there is no way you have pot odds to try and prove it. You have no appreciable fold equity, you are usually way behind, and he has many outs when you are ahead. It will cost 2 BB to try and collect try and collect the 4 BB in the pot.

Check and hope for a free card. If he really has the flush draw you are likely to get it.

SnglMaltScotch · #9 12-07-2005, 10:16 AM

I am part of the bet fold group. I see all kinds of heart draws that we are still ahead of. I could also see KQ pealing on that flop and then folding the turn.

car ramrod · #10 12-07-2005, 10:31 AM

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Checkfold. Our sensible 24/17 opponent has limped behind another player and then called the flop. Cases:

1A. Small pocket pair hit set. 0 outs.
1B. Small pocket pair calling down. 6 outs.

2. Axs/Kxs flopped pair (else why call). 3 outs.

3A. Small connector cards flopped pair. 6 outs.
3B. Small connector pair flopped straight draw and hit something on the turn. 0-6 outs.

4. Flush draw (Axs/Kxs/connectors)
A. Already paired. 2-4 outs.
B. Not paired. Villain has 12-21 outs and will often take the free card.

Certainly you may be ahead here. But unless this opponent frequently floats in this situation there is no way you have pot odds to try and prove it. You have no appreciable fold equity, you are usually way behind, and he has many outs when you are ahead. It will cost 2 BB to try and collect try and collect the 4 BB in the pot.

Check and hope for a free card. If he really has the flush draw you are likely to get it.

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very good post.