Biiiiiiig Pot, Ed Miller scenario

[Roland19]

I think this is an interesting hand. Don't assume that means that I won or lost the hand. Villians are all total donks, they all have stats around 60/20/1.5 ish. Comments on all streets appreciated.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.

River: (19 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, CO folds.

Final Pot: 21 BB

Seems like I shouldn't fold in this huge pot for one big bet, so I didn't. Wrong? Right? How so, either way?

[Harv72b]

Unless I'm on the most loose/passive table in history, I'm folding A2s preflop from MP1. Okay, or maybe if all three EPs limped to me.

I'd also 3-bet the flop when it comes back to me the last time. Holding the nut flush draw vs. 4 opponents, you have excellent equity even if the board is paired.

Good call on the river. SB only has to be holding an overpair, straight, or lesser flush 5% of the time for this to be correct; given your read, I'd say this is very likely to work out.

SSHE recommends calling A2s from middle position on a tight table, doesn't it?

[Roland19]

Every thread I ever start ends up as a trivial debate on preflop play. Obviously, this isn't very interesting postflop, and requires no thought or special attention. Forget I even posted it. Have a nice day.

[ArturiusX]

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Every thread I ever start ends up as a trivial debate on preflop play. Obviously, this isn't very interesting postflop, and requires no thought or special attention. Forget I even posted it. Have a nice day.

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What a mood swing [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Preflop is fine in my books if the table is loose. The rest is standard.

[Harv72b]

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SSHE recommends calling A2s from middle position on a tight table, doesn't it?

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It does. I disagree with that advice. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

The OP is right, tho...the preflop debate is trivial, and it's the postflop play that deserves attention (and that he's more interested in hearing about).

[Paxosmotic]

Preflop is standard, but you need to raise and reraise this flop for value. Yes, anyone with an 8 or a 5 has a full house draw, and someone could already have it, but boohoo. We stand to win well over our 20% share (5 players in when the action is to us), so we definitely need to pump this draw.

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SSHE recommends calling A2s from middle position on a tight table, doesn't it?

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It does. I disagree with that advice. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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[img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] Whoa. Shouldn't you be repenting and saying "Hail Ed"s (vs "Hail Mary"s) right now? lol

It's an easy call as 67 is indistinguishable from hands that beat you in SB's line and I'd estimate it as 1 in 7 (essentially versus SB holding any 8) that he's got a 67.

[TheHammer24]

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Preflop is standard, but you need to raise and reraise this flop for value. Yes, anyone with an 8 or a 5 has a full house draw, and someone could already have it, but boohoo. We stand to win well over our 20% share (5 players in when the action is to us), so we definitely need to pump this draw.

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The pot is so huge already that I would raise right off the bat. One poster suggested call, three-betting, which I think is second best. However, if the player on the flop lead out with a pp, it would be real nice to get AX to fold behind us and pick up a couple outs. If they all cold call, cap, behind you, your nut flush draw is plenty of equity for that to be ok. In a big a pot, I think you have to be more aggressive in this spot on the flop. The attitude of "keeping your customers" is very often incorrect in this spot.

FWIW, I think it's a bad limp in MP1 unless the table is very loose passive or if all three limpers limped infront of me. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]