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Old 12-06-2005, 10:45 AM
Wynton Wynton is offline
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Default 3-betting as opposed to folding situations

I've been wondering whether I'm missing opportunities by folding some hands, rather than 3-betting them. Consider the following situations.

(1) You are in co. A TAG (who is solid post-flop) raises in mp. If you 3-bet, you can be relatively sure the hand will end up HU. Do you fold or 3-bet with:
-K10o
-KJo
-Q10s
-A9s
-A8s
-A7s
-J10s

(2) Now assume that the MP player is somewhat of a LAG, i.e., he open-raises lightly and will follow up with aggression on the flop, but is not a maniac and will slow down eventually. You still expect a 3-bet to get it hu. Do your answers change at all?

(3) Assume that the MP player is weak/tight. So his open-raise means he has a premium hand, but he is also capable of folding post-flop too easily. Do your answers change?

(4) Finally, assume that the MP is kind of in between a TAG and a LAG, but now you expect that the BB will call even if you 3-bet. BB is basically very loose, likes to see flops and turns, though often folds on the river. Do your answers change now?
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Old 12-06-2005, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: 3-betting as opposed to folding situations

I might pop (2) with A8s and (3) with J10s. Figuring I have a better hand vs (2) and Im not dominated vs (3).
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:00 AM
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Default Re: 3-betting as opposed to folding situations

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I might pop (2) with A8s and (3) with J10s. Figuring I have a better hand vs (2) and Im not dominated vs (3).

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Vs a weak tight raiser who might have TT-AA, AJ+, AQ+, you are often dominated with JTs.

TT - 3 combos - dominated
JJ - 3 combos - dominated
QQ - 6 combos - dominated
KK - 6 combos - dominated
AA - 6 combos - dominated
AJ - 12 combos - dominated

AQ - 16 combos - not dominated
AK - 16 combos - not dominated

Dominated in 36. Not dominated in 32. When you are not dominated, you are behind, and this passive guy won't like folding his AK very often. I think it is way too expensive to 3-bet, just fold.
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Old 12-06-2005, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: 3-betting as opposed to folding situations

I fold all these hands. Once in a while I will 3-bet with J10s or any of these hands, but almost never against a solid TAG.
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:38 AM
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I fold them all in every situation. Even against a LAG, you're dominated most of the time.

The only exception is JTs which I might 3-bet or just cold call if the initial raiser is weak-tight post flop and/or the blinds tend to come in most of the time. I don't mind HU against weak tight and I wouldn't mind 4-way with JTs, so I'm good whichever way it goes.
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:48 AM
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It depends a little on how he plays but a 40/30 guy wont have you dominated imo. Sure it adds a bit of variance but if the blinds fold I think its +EV.
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Old 12-06-2005, 12:18 PM
Guy McSucker Guy McSucker is offline
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Default Re: 3-betting as opposed to folding situations

I fold them all. Domination sucks.

Guy.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:04 PM
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I fold them all. Domination sucks.

Guy.

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but position and initiative do not
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: 3-betting as opposed to folding situations

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I fold them all. Domination sucks.

Guy.

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but position and initiative do not

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Don't tease me Josh. Are you suggesting that you might 3-bet any of those hands in the op?
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: 3-betting as opposed to folding situations

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I fold them all. Domination sucks.

Guy.

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Same.

Krishan
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