Curtains defends his blinds (with bonus comedy hand!)

[wuwei]

Figured I'd leave this one unconverted, in case the villian matters.


Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Wednesday, December 21, 01:11:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 69557 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: rodattam ( $1908 )
Seat 3: Gamboholic_ ( $1369 )
Seat 6: danh67 ( $430 )
Seat 7: oneeyejoker ( $1863 )
Seat 8: ILuvCurtains ( $725 )
Seat 9: satinblossom ( $1970 )
Seat 10: treetoedpete ( $1735 )
Trny:18465613 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ILuvCurtains [ 9s 7s ]
satinblossom folds.
treetoedpete folds.
rodattam folds.
Gamboholic_ folds.
danh67 folds.
oneeyejoker raises [150].
ILuvCurtains calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, 8s, Qh ]
oneeyejoker checks.
ILuvCurtains checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
oneeyejoker checks.
ILuvCurtains is all-In [525]...

[wuwei]

Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: rodattam ( $1908 )
Seat 2: scrubs729 ( $700 )
Seat 3: Gamboholic_ ( $1419 )
Seat 6: danh67 ( $580 )
Seat 7: oneeyejoker ( $1813 )
Seat 8: ILuvCurtains ( $725 )
Seat 9: satinblossom ( $1970 )
Seat 10: treetoedpete ( $885 )
Trny:18465613 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ILuvCurtains [ Kd 9s ]
oneeyejoker folds.
ILuvCurtains folds.
satinblossom folds.
treetoedpete raises [300].
rodattam folds.
scrubs729 raises [699].
Gamboholic_ folds.
danh67 folds.
scrubs729: MEHEHE I GOT A GOOD ONE
scrubs729: MAKE SURE TO RERAISE THOUGH
scrubs729: JUST TO BE SURE
treetoedpete calls [399].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 5d, 5h ]
scrubs729: COOL
ILuvCurtains: lolzz
scrubs729: NOW BET FLOP
scrubs729: IMMED
scrubs729: HOPING I FOLD
scrubs729: NEVER CHECK
treetoedpete is all-In [186]
scrubs729: YOU REALIZE NORMALLY I USE WHOLE TIME BANK HERE
scrubs729: TO TEACH YOU LESSON
scrubs729 will be using his time bank for this hand.
scrubs729: ALWAYS CHECK DOWN YOU PSKJGGLK
scrubs729: @#(%)*&@
treetoedpete: scrub this
scrubs729 is all-In [1]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
treetoedpete shows [ Td, Th ] a full house, Fives full of tens.
scrubs729 shows [ 9h, 9c ] a full house, Fives full of nines.
treetoedpete wins 185 chips from side pot #1 with a full house, Fives full of tens.
treetoedpete wins 1550 chips from the main pot with a full house, Fives full of tens.
scrubs729 finished in eighth place.
scrubs729 has left the table.

[gumpzilla]

This is a weird hand. I wouldn't ordinarily play blind D in this fashion with such a small stack. If the minraise isn't garbage, there's going to be approximately 0 flops that I'm happy about with my particular holding. If the minraise is garbage, it seems like pushing preflop has a slightly higher chance of getting him out (yes, I know he'd be getting ~2:1, but people do find folds there sometimes). Having gotten to the flop in this fashion, I probably push right away and hope I don't run into an A. Waiting to the turn in this instance doesn't really look that much more convincing to me and I don't want to miss my opportunity to try and make the steal.

I'm interested in hearing what curtains has to say about this one.

[curtains]

scrubs is a friend of mine, he obviously did it for my amusement. He loves to move allin minus 1 chip and then talk for long periods of time.

Stack is too short for flat call blind defense scheme. How does hero play a flop that misses him? After two checks, going all-in makes some sense, but we are talking about a villain who checked both flop and turn after raising. Does this seem suspicious to Hero from prior info, or is it simply passivity?

This is a sketchy situation brought on by the incorrect flat call.

[curtains]

I think that people on 2+2 suffer from a "worst case" mindset. What I mean is that it seems some of you believe that 100% of the time when we call this preflop our opponent will bet the flop. We also believe that a large % of the time when we hit the flop with top or 2nd pair, that our opponent will have us beat.

However as you see it dosen't always play out like this. Sometimes your opponent will just check twice for no reason and you don't need to actually make a hand. Yes I was a bit suspicious but the combined chance of me winning the pot immediately, and the flush draw possibility led me to make this bet. I felt that I was too shortstacked and needed the chips in the center.

Basically I am getting 3-1 pot odds in position with a decent hand. Im very shortstacked and it makes the hand very easy to play after the flop. For instance if the flop is Q74 and my opponent bets, all my chips go in the pot. Sometimes they will fold, sometimes they will even call with a worse hand and sometimes I will be beaten. In any case the pot odds Im getting preflop are too good IMO for me to fold to a min raise. I would have folded to a 125 raise however.

Also I think the flop check by my opponent is quite bad.

[ZBTHorton]

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scrubs is a friend of mine, he obviously did it for my amusement. He loves to move allin minus 1 chip and then talk for long periods of time.

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sigh..dj...dj...dj...

My apologies, I thought blinds were 25/50 and a 3x 150 raise. Calling a minraise in position is fine, as is everything afterwards. Flop check is horrid. I wasn't saying opponent is def. tricky though, chances are he isn't and is just passive, but I wasn't in the hand, so I couldn't know.

[Gotmilk]

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sigh..dj...dj...dj...

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what does dj mean?

[ZBTHorton]

I know Scrubs too.