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Old 12-19-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?

Live 8-16. CP Minnesota.

UTG raises. UTG+1 calls , folds to me and I three bet black aces. Blinds fold. Both others call.

UTG is a loose caller preflop (damn near any two suited, any two gaps of better, any pair) but doesn't raise lightly, especially UTG (I am putting him on a Broadway Ace, if it's less than AQ its suited and pocket pairs of 99-AA), UTG is usually pretty tight but is slightly tilting and doesn't respect UTG's play at all (I put him on any pair, any suited connectors or any suited broadway or any Big Ace.)


Flop comes K-10-9 of diamonds. UTG bets UTG+1 raises. What is the play with black aces?
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:52 PM
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:07 PM
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Fold.
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?

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Fold.

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Really? Ok, so we don't have the Ace of diamond, but is the answer this easy?
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:41 PM
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Default Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?

im calling and popping a favorable turn card.
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?

Victor,

Just curious but what is a faviorable turn card? One of the reasons I had a question about this hand is that I didn't know what a good turn card was.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:00 PM
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Victor,

Just curious but what is a faviorable turn card? One of the reasons I had a question about this hand is that I didn't know what a good turn card was.

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how bout the offsuit ace [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]?

really, tho any offsuit card other than q, or j are pretty good. a k is somewhat bad and an 8 is kinda bad. a 10 or 9 may be good or bad. i would be screaming for a black duece in my head.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?

Surprised by all the fold responses. Not time to give up on aces yet. Victor's line is good.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:54 PM
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not time to give up on them? could there be a worse flop for aces than that? and you have to deal with two more cards to make things even worse. the best situation you can have here is maybe AK.. and that leaves you drawing to 1 ace because chances are your one pair wont be good
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:02 PM
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not time to give up on them?

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certainly not, you are ahead way too often here in this large pot to fold.

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could there be a worse flop for aces than that?

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yes, many times worse.

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and you have to deal with two more cards to make things even worse

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our equity is still high enough to stay and its easy to get away if another heart comes.

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the best situation you can have here is maybe AK

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please, do you really think that the worst hands these guys can have here is ak? it may be the most likely hand (certainly more likely than a set or flush) and we are way ahead of it. opponents can have any combo of a pair and a decent flush card tho and it makes sense that they would try to push you out.

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and that leaves you drawing to 1 ace because chances are your one pair wont be good

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this is just wrong. one pair will hold up here plenty. get pokerstove, run some quick sims and see what you come up with.
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