American national anthem at WSOP main event???

[Phill S]

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Poker is a purely American game. Therefore, all poker tournament main events played all over the world should be preceded by the American National Anthem. Poker is just as American as apple pie, baseball, hamburgers, jazz and hotdogs.

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The exact origins of poker are unclear. It seems to have originated from a 16th century Persian card game known as As Nas. This game was played with 25 cards with 5 different suits. The game played in a similar fashion to modern 5 card stud and possessed similar poker hands rankings, such as three-of-a-kind. When Europeans began to play the game, they called it 'poque' or 'pochen.' 2 While poker's origins may lie in Europe and Persia, it truly developed in the United States.

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"As American as apple pie" is a common saying in the United States. However, the expression (its full form being "As American as motherhood and apple pie") is clearly metaphorical, rather than literally trying to claim origin, since both motherhood and apple pie predate the United States. It expresses the feeling that the concept "America" is not just geographical, but instead — along with motherhood and apple pie — is something wholesome.

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In the late eighteenth century, the largest ports in Europe were in German. Sailors who had visited the ports of Hamburg, Germany and New York, brought the food and term "Hamburg Steak" into popular usage. To attract German sailors, eating stands along the New York city harbor offered "steak cooked in the Hamburg style."

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The origin of hot dogs started all the way from the main ingredient – the sausage. There is some disagreement though as to whether the Austrians or the Germans invented the sausage. However, most people will credit the origin of sausages to the city of Frankfurt in Germany around the late 1400s. The frankfurter sausage was later nicknamed as “dachshund sausage” by a Frankfurt butcher who happened to own a dachshund (a dog with a pretty long body).

It is from Europe that the “dachshund” sausage was introduced to North America. Again it is not quite clear who actually was the first to introduce sausages with bread roll in the States. Whoever it was, the “dachshund” sausage roll became a very popular fast food in the early 1890s in Chicago where it spread to the rest of the country. People began to serve the “dachshund” sausage rolls in baseball parks and soon having hotdogs at the games became an American tradition.

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Most cultures have some sort of stick and ball game, cricket being the most well-known. While the exact origins of baseball are unknown, most historians agree that it is based on the English game of rounders.

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Many Jazz writers have pointed out that the non-Jazz elements from which Jazz was formed, the Blues, Ragtime, Brass Band Music, Hymns and Spirituals, Minstrel music and work songs were ubiquitous in the United States and known in dozens of cities. Why then, they reason, should New Orleans be singled out as the sole birthplace of Jazz? These writers are overlooking one important factor that existed only in New Orleans, namely, the black Creole subculture.

The Creoles were free, French and Spanish speaking Blacks, originally from the West Indies, who lived first under Spanish then French rule in the Louisiana Territory. They became Americans as a result of the Louisiana Purchase of 1803 and Louisiana statehood in 1812. The Creoles rose to the highest levels of New Orleans society during the 19th century. They lived in the French section of the city east of Canal Street and became prominent in the economic and cultural life of the section.

The Creole musicians, many of whom were Conservatory trained in Paris, played at the Opera House and in chamber ensembles. Some led the best society bands in New Orleans. They prided themselves on their formal knowledge of European music, precise technique and soft delicate tone and had all of the social and cultural values that characterize the upper class.

The one thing these all had in common? American culture developed them into their modern forms, but they all had their history elsewhere in the world

Phill

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While poker's origins may lie in Europe and Persia, it truly developed in the United States.

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Exactly my point.

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"As American as apple pie" is a common saying in the United States. However, the expression (its full form being "As American as motherhood and apple pie") is clearly metaphorical, rather than literally trying to claim origin, since both motherhood and apple pie predate the United States. It expresses the feeling that the concept "America" is not just geographical, but instead — along with motherhood and apple pie — is something wholesome.

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Well, if you think about it, wholesomeness really began in the United States. Before the Declaration of Independence, the world was still somewhat semi-barbaric with the British, the Dutch, the French,and the Spaniards using violence to spread their empires. The US was truly the first country that expanded peacefully from the first 13 colonies to Alaska and Hawaii.

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To attract German sailors, eating stands along the New York city harbor offered "steak cooked in the Hamburg style."

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But it is not really a hamburger until it is placed between two pieces of bread which collectively are called a "hamburger bun". The hamburger as we know it is purely an American food item. The Germans just saw it as another version of steak, not a fastfood item.

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Again it is not quite clear who actually was the first to introduce sausages with bread roll in the States. Whoever it was, the “dachshund” sausage roll became a very popular fast food in the early 1890s in Chicago where it spread to the rest of the country. People began to serve the “dachshund” sausage rolls in baseball parks and soon having hotdogs at the games became an American tradition.

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See my opinions about the hamburger. If you eat the hotdog without bread, it is just sausage. It has to be sandwiched between two breads for it to qualify as a hotdog which is an American invention.


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Most cultures have some sort of stick and ball game, cricket being the most well-known. While the exact origins of baseball are unknown, most historians agree that it is based on the English game of rounders.

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Stop trying to give credit to other countries what is rightfully American. I'm sure the cavemen played with sticks and balls but that does not make it baseball.


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The one thing these all had in common? American culture developed them into their modern forms, but they all had their history elsewhere in the world

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Louis Armstrong invented jazz. And he was 100% American. In fact, they named the New Orleans airport after him.

Holy crap Mushu. The stereotype of the average American being fat, stupid and ignorant usually won't hold true, but you sir strike them all I'm sure.

Apple pie was being baked in England long before North America was even known to exist. Empires are what spread civilisation to 'barbaric' places around the world (the US is a result of this).

The US spread west peacefully did it? My God this is one of the most stupid statements I've ever read.

Baseball is well known to have been derived from rounders.

Most things Americans consider to be American have came from other places in the world. It just so happens the US is about 2000 years behind most other Western nations (in Europe), otherwise it might have been a different story.

No doubt you think English was invented by an American, too?


Jimbo it not about whether or not the national anthem is insulting to people (it shouldn't be seeing as they'd be in America to hear it) but whether or not it's appropriate. I don't see how it possibly could be seeing as the WSOP hosts players from throughout the world. The WSOP is funded by players from throughout the world. What relevance has the anthem got for being played?

[schwza]

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The US was truly the first country that expanded peacefully from the first 13 colonies to Alaska and Hawaii.

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it was manifest destiny and to hell with the gajillion brown people we had to kill on the way.

[jedi]

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The US was truly the first country that expanded peacefully from the first 13 colonies to Alaska and Hawaii.


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WHAT? What sort of revisionist history are you living in?

And baseball IS American, though certainly derived from Rounders. An American took Rounders, developed his own rules and formed a new sport. Basketball would have been a better analogy, though I think the sports founder was actually Canadian.

[betgo]

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Well, if you think about it, wholesomeness really began in the United States. Before the Declaration of Independence, the world was still somewhat semi-barbaric with the British, the Dutch, the French,and the Spaniards using violence to spread their empires. The US was truly the first country that expanded peacefully from the first 13 colonies to Alaska and Hawaii.


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I assume this includes the peaceful declarations of war against Britain in 1812, Mexico in 1846, and Spain in 1898. Also numerous peaceful Indian wars, violations of treaties, and massacres of villages.

[mackthefork]

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Well, if you think about it, wholesomeness really began in the United States. Before the Declaration of Independence, the world was still somewhat semi-barbaric with the British, the Dutch, the French,and the Spaniards using violence to spread their empires. The US was truly the first country that expanded peacefully from the first 13 colonies to Alaska and Hawaii.


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You must be really trying hard, this is hilarious.

Mack

[mackthefork]

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Stop trying to give credit to other countries what is rightfully American. I'm sure the cavemen played with sticks and balls but that does not make it baseball.


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It's British you are wrong, all you did is change the rules a little. Same goes for American Football, rugby with a suit of armour.

Mack

[unfrgvn]

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Stop trying to give credit to other countries what is rightfully American. I'm sure the cavemen played with sticks and balls but that does not make it baseball.


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It's British you are wrong, all you did is change the rules a little. Same goes for American Football, rugby with a suit of armour.

Mack

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I suppose instead of playing the anthem we could be really advanced like our British cousins and have a riot before or during our sporting matches:

http://www.englischservice.de/hooligans3.html

[Shaun]

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Many Jazz writers have pointed out that the non-Jazz elements from which Jazz was formed, the Blues, Ragtime, Brass Band Music, Hymns and Spirituals, Minstrel music and work songs were ubiquitous in the United States and known in dozens of cities. Why then, they reason, should New Orleans be singled out as the sole birthplace of Jazz? These writers are overlooking one important factor that existed only in New Orleans, namely, the black Creole subculture.

The Creoles were free, French and Spanish speaking Blacks, originally from the West Indies, who lived first under Spanish then French rule in the Louisiana Territory. They became Americans as a result of the Louisiana Purchase of 1803 and Louisiana statehood in 1812. The Creoles rose to the highest levels of New Orleans society during the 19th century. They lived in the French section of the city east of Canal Street and became prominent in the economic and cultural life of the section.

The Creole musicians, many of whom were Conservatory trained in Paris, played at the Opera House and in chamber ensembles. Some led the best society bands in New Orleans. They prided themselves on their formal knowledge of European music, precise technique and soft delicate tone and had all of the social and cultural values that characterize the upper class.

The one thing these all had in common? American culture developed them into their modern forms, but they all had their history elsewhere in the world

Phill

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Jazz is American Buddy. And it's not even close. Of course it has influences that originated elsewhere. Name something on Earth that doesn't.

Poker, in its popular forms, is American. No one asked if they played cards in Persia with a 25 card deck once. Poker, you know, 52 cards, betting rounds, draw, Hold-em, Omaha, Stud, is American.

Should there be a national anthem at the world series of poker? Who cares!