T9s in a situation (plus two What-Ifs)

oreogod · #1 12-09-2005, 06:40 AM

against a decent player. 5/10. 5 handed game.

I have Tc9c in the bb. Button raises, I just call.

Flop is Ah9s6c.

1. What is your flop/turn plan if u lead out and get raised?
2. What is your flop/turn plan u check raise and get 3bet?
3. What is your turn/river plan if he calls your flop check-raise and raises u on the turn? (assume rainbow board)

(assume for all turn plans u do not improve)

kurosh · #2 12-09-2005, 06:40 AM

maybe you should ask your oreo?

Peter Harris · #3 12-09-2005, 07:28 AM

1) 3bet flop and if capped, c/f UI turn
2) cap, bet-fold UI raised turn, if turn called, donk river under a T.
3) fold

but this may all be weak since a decent player may lean on you with 88, 77, KQ, KJs etc. as well as all the aces that beat you...

waffle · #4 12-09-2005, 07:31 AM

i agree 3 is fold, i'm lost in the other situations. sometimes i just c/c flop and turn since the ace is on board, what do you think?

Peter Harris · #5 12-09-2005, 07:39 AM

adopting a call-call line with a decent player isn't something i like to do. I am hyper aggressive at the moment though [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I like to stick it to a player who can think so they know that messing with me may cost them. Of course, that means i dump more bets sticking it to them than calling down...

the problem with always calling down a thinking player is that when you get a hand worth raising, they will have the nouse to fold. My line means they may wonder a bit more...

...not to say it's the best line...

waffle · #6 12-09-2005, 07:41 AM

yeah, i agree, i have been playing PooP too much. (passive out of position.) what would you do in oreo's #1 and #2 cases, tho [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

ArturiusX · #7 12-09-2005, 08:30 AM

Check-raise, if he 3-bets call down, if he calls and c/r the turn then I fold 70% of the time, call down the other 30%.

oreogod · #8 12-09-2005, 10:22 AM

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1) 3bet flop and if capped, c/f UI turn
2) cap, bet-fold UI raised turn, if turn called, donk river under a T.
3) fold

but this may all be weak since a decent player may lean on you with 88, 77, KQ, KJs etc. as well as all the aces that beat you...

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totally depends on your definition of decent. In a HU match against w. 2 really good players, playing, sure. But after putting that much action in, unless its a free showdown raise, I cant see a worse hand 'leaning' on you like this.

We are talking like 5/10 here though. Also your line is good against a lot of players, others I probably wouldnt cap.

Peter Harris · #9 12-09-2005, 10:44 AM

thanks oreo, and i only play 2/4 so the texture of 5/10 is a total unknown to me.

oreogod · #10 12-09-2005, 09:56 PM

no no, its fine. I didnt think those lines would work at 2/4...I dont remember the limit being aggressive like that. But I think your lines are perfectly suited 10/20 and above.

All I remember 2/4 is a lot of ppl, besides Tags, that didnt know what they were doing. But ppl will still 3bet a lot of hands at many limits, so I imagine it works down there to often/sometimes.