(PP $10 + 1) QJ all in with low M

#1 10-20-2005, 05:59 AM

A hand that was played lastnight. I'm just wondering if this was the right move or not. I had a low M so I figured moving with any 2 was the best move to steal the blinds. However, thinking about it afterwards I'm not sure I sure have done this after the raise from 1st position?
Thanks.

***** Hand History *****
150/300 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16713618) - Wed Oct 19 17:52:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 67187 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Hero (1090)
Seat 2: Button (590)
Seat 3: SB (700)
Seat 4: BB (3015)
Seat 6: UTG (800)
Seat 7: UTG+1 (1805)
SB posts small blind (75)
BB posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero[ Js, Qc ]
UTG raises (800) to 800
UTG is all-In.
UTG+1 folds.
Hero raises (1090) to 1090
Hero is all-In.
Button folds.
SB folds.
BB folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1825 with UTG
Creating Side Pot 1 with $290 with Hero
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, 2h, Ts ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1825 | Side Pot 1: 290
Board: [ 7c 2h Ts 3h 3d ]
Hero balance 290, bet 1090, collected 290, lost -800 [ Js Qc ] [ a pair of threes -- Qc,Js,Ts,3h,3d ]
UTG balance 1825, bet 800, collected 1825, net +1025 [ Ac Kd ] [ a pair of threes with ace kicker -- Ac,Kd,Ts,3h,3dAc(kicker card) ]

tigerite · #2 10-20-2005, 06:03 AM

Sorry but this has nothing at all to do with M. I thought we'd stopped all that nonsense anyway, but meh whatever.

This is -$EV pure and simple, do you not know what the Gap Concept is?

Melchiades · #3 10-20-2005, 06:03 AM

Very easy fold.

Huckle · #4 10-20-2005, 06:03 AM

You definitely should not do this. Do you really think you can steal when he just has to call 200 to see you?

Stealing is good, but you need to be the first raiser or be able to raise a large amount to drive people out, not when people are already in the pot.

tigerite · #5 10-20-2005, 06:04 AM

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You definitely should not do this. Do you really think you can steal when he just has to call 200 to see you?

Stealing is good, but you need to be the first raiser or be able to raise a large amount to drive people out, not when people are already in the pot.

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He doesn't have to call anything. He (UTG) is all-in. It's terrible, a blatant fold.

#6 10-20-2005, 06:24 AM

Okay - thanks for the feedback.
Now assuming I was the guy UTG, would you push it in that scenario:
Case 1 tight players
Case 2 loose players

Melchiades · #7 10-20-2005, 06:31 AM

QJo is a trash holding. I do not push that UTG here at all, loose or tight.

tigerite · #8 10-20-2005, 06:34 AM

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Okay - thanks for the feedback.
Now assuming I was the guy UTG, would you push it in that scenario:
Case 1 tight players
Case 2 loose players

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Usually, no, unless they are ridiculously tight, like JJ+,AK+ or something like that. I know 6bb is low but it's not that low. I might be tempted if the blinds go up the next hand, but even then, I wouldn't like it.

zambonidrivr · #9 10-20-2005, 09:22 AM

i would rather be the first in the pot pushing any2, than a call like this.