another river bet/fold (WA/WB)

jt1 · #1 12-20-2005, 11:19 AM

Both players are unknown

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP folds, Button raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11.66 BB

gonzopro · #2 12-20-2005, 11:26 AM

looks good to me

Guruman · #3 12-20-2005, 11:32 AM

hmmm. what hand range calls two cold, then calls two more cold, then raises that flop?

superpassivity followed up by aggression.

It doesnt look like that's a freecard play. My money's on him either being a fish with a piece of the board, or a WPT wannabe with QQ-AA.

When that turn bet comes, what are we beating here?

#4 12-20-2005, 11:44 AM

I'd guess that he's got AQ, A5, or a very passive QQ here. If he had a blank queen, wouldn't hero's river bet when the ace hit be scary and he would just flat call? Maybe I'm thinking too deeply into it.

With this in mind, definite river fold. I'm not even sure I would be betting once the ace hit, you're behind nearly everything now.

MrWookie47 · #5 12-20-2005, 11:46 AM

Agreed. I might just c/f that river.

jba · #6 12-20-2005, 11:50 AM

just check/fold the river. if he's got 99/TT just let him have this one, way too many hands have you smoked.

winky51 · #7 12-20-2005, 01:40 PM

Now why would you not fold the flop? What else does this guy have? Your done.

Think if it this way. Lets say he had 88. PF 3 better bets, 88 raises the flop (maybe he has AK?), PF 3 better calls.... turn is a dud, PF 3 better checks, 88 bets...

How many of you WOULDNT bet 88 here that way?

Then again who would just cold call 2 with 77-TT here? I don't think anyone of us would, I wouldnt. So you can make this assumption of Mr. Unknown. If he is a TAG he is probably reraising with 77-TT, AQ preflop not cold calling. Since he cold called we are looking at a more passive player, thus he called with AQ or A5 fearing AA, AK, KK. He raised the flop like a good average player. "wow Mr. 3 better paused then just called I got him". Why wouldnt he bet again. If he had 77-88 and "just cold called" he would tend to call down the bets since it is quite possible in his scared little mind the 3 better had AA or KK.

#8 12-20-2005, 11:31 AM

I think against an unknown this play is not so great. Would he bet the turn again with things that don't beat you? The flop is pretty drawless.

He has raised a pfr 3-bettrr on this slightly scary flop he also called 2 cold. I think he has a Q here a lot of the time.

The pot is big, so how likely are players at 3/6 going to bluff /raise the flop with an over, air, a weaker PP?

True

hemstock · #9 12-20-2005, 11:31 AM

I don't like it. What is he folding here? A five, a queen, an ace? Nothing. I would actually 3 bet the flop and fold to a cap or a turn raise. Guy called 2 cold preflop, he saw you 3betting and he doesnt care. Give him some credit.

winky51 · #10 12-20-2005, 01:33 PM

Gotta agree with this one. There are NO draws on the flop. Q55 rainbow. This guy called 2 cold then a raised the PF 3 better on the flop. He doesnt have 66 boyz, he had the Q or A5.