River Action

toss · #1 11-20-2005, 03:04 AM

Sorry no reads.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, Button folds.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (19.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks...

So what happens if I get checkraised?

SNOWBALL138 · #2 11-20-2005, 03:35 AM

Is there something wrong with checking behind?

Richard Berg · #3 11-20-2005, 03:36 AM

Why give them a chance? What do you put them on?

SB sure looks like KQ/AQ/QQ. The Q on board is a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] so well over half of those hands have a big club. If he has an overpair instead, "only" half of those hands have a big club. 77 is safe, but it's a stretch to put him on exactly that.

BB might be a total donkey, but he sure is determined to draw to something. Moreover, his fishy tendencies don't really help you at all: he may be too passive to raise you when his crappy K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] draws out, fearing the nuts, but he's never ever folding a better hand.

toss · #4 11-20-2005, 03:45 AM

Don't you think BB will make a crying call with top set or AA KK?

BoxLiquid · #5 11-20-2005, 03:50 AM

Just a suggestion. Maybe you can make a value bet and fold to a c/r? NH, I wouldn't know what to do.

If someone c/r you're probably up against some type of broadway card. I don't think anyone would have the balls to try a c/r bluff on the river here. Just my 2 cents.

BoxLiquid · #6 11-20-2005, 03:52 AM

I really think someone with an ace or king would throw a value bet instead of checking this river because of the possibility it might get checked all the way through.

jason_t · #7 11-20-2005, 03:55 AM

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Is there something wrong with folding preflop?

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fyp

toss · #8 11-20-2005, 04:05 AM

Yeah I know but I was card dead and the table was tight and I'm self delusion that I can outplay them postflop and my stummy hurts.

jason_t · #9 11-20-2005, 04:15 AM

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Yeah I know but I was card dead and the table was tight and I'm self delusion that I can outplay them postflop and my stummy hurts.

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Worse than the [censored] common cold.

Richard Berg · #10 11-20-2005, 06:40 AM

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Don't you think BB will make a crying call with top set or AA KK?

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Maybe, but the math doesn't add up. Since they're never folding a better hand and you'll often be raised, you need to be ahead significantly >50% of the time to make a value bet. Unfortunately, even if you're 100% certain that SB has nothing (yeah right) and can put BB on exactly AA/KK/QQ/AQ, by pure combinatorics you will be ahead only about 45% of the time. Once you factor in the extra likelihood that his turn aggression reflected a big redraw, you'll find you're way way off the mark.