Ako 5way...A poll...

[AZK]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO ($2164)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($1970)</font>
SB ($1572)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($2184)</font>
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($580)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($2774)</font>
UTG+2 ($1967)
MP1 ($500)
MP2 ($1922)
MP3 ($1900)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG calls $20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $100</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $80, UTG calls $80.

Flop: ($510) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $200</font>, UTG calls $200, Hero ?

Assume no reads, or insignificant amount of hands on players to come to any sort of conclusion.

[turnipmonster]

I am really interested in hearing some reasoning behind folding here.

[flawless_victory]

i need to know something about these guys...
i like a kamikaze all in here, generally.

[xorbie]

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i need to know something about these guys...
i like a kamikaze all in here, generally.

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This was my initial thought as well, but BB's move is very scary given UTG's stack size, IMO. It looks like he might be hoping for UTG to push, hero calls, BB push.

[AZK]

BB got lucky doubling up against someone else, bought in as a short stack, I don't think he is very good. UTG is obviously a fishy short stack. I only have 100 hands on each, so that doesn't mean anything.

[flawless_victory]

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i need to know something about these guys...
i like a kamikaze all in here, generally.

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This was my initial thought as well, but BB's move is very scary given UTG's stack size, IMO. It looks like he might be hoping for UTG to push, hero calls, BB push.

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if you do push here, it is imperative that you yell FVVVVCK IIIIT!!! as you slide in the chip.

[Rocaix]

If he led into you with a set, that'd be a sick play. But most players just can't resist the temptation to check a set upfront for the big check-raise. It seems that he's more likely leading into you with something like K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and hoping to three-bet all-in. I'd be tempted to shove right there knowing that I have a redraw against those hands.

[psuasskicker]

I voted for raising, but the more I think about it the more I'm leaning toward calling. I think BB could be setting you up for an all in with a hand with great redraws, and flush draws might play with you for anything other than an all in which is a little dramatic though not a bad option.

Your A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is a nice redraw card. I think I push against a turn bet with any non-spade, and probably call a bet on the turn if a spade falls off...depends on the bet size though. If checked to, I bet the turn heavy.

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[sawseech]

big pot now or big pot later
bb is gonna at least call, and utg can't fold
let's see the turn

[turnipmonster]

I mostly raise and sometimes call, but 8 people so far have said fold. people that say fold, shed light on your choice.

if I had to construct an argument for folding it would go something along the lines of a dude leading into 5 players one of whom raised PF can probably beat TPTK. but that's not a very good argument, so I want to hear one [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].