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Old 10-21-2005, 06:03 PM
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Default Short-handed play

Down to 4 people in a pp tourney:
this is what it is right now:
150/300
SB: 1200
Hero(BB): 2500
UTG: 430
Button: 3200
Hero is dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds
Button is all-in
SB folds
What do you do here?
thanks for the input
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:03 PM
LostMyCaseMoney LostMyCaseMoney is offline
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Call.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:12 PM
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why should he call?
to play devil's advocate, one player has barely over 1bb and the hero has twice as many chips as 3rd place. if hero wins the race for his stack against the button, he's in a dominating chip position, but it seems unnecessarily risky.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: Short-handed play

Button is pushing into you because you can't call and he is right. Fold.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:20 PM
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I agree...I think I fold. Decent chance you are in for a coin flip...even if you are not...what are you hoping the other guy has? You think he has an ace or a king? You want to risk your tourney on it given the other stack sizes and the blinds?
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:20 PM
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Villian is pushing a ton of hands and many of them hero has dominated. I didn't run the numbers on how large of a favorite hero is over X hand range but when you do that and look @ the ICM I would say it turns out to be +EV to call. I may be wrong but I don't think so. I'll run it later when I'm on my own computer.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:22 PM
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I don't care if ICM says that it is +ev...I am folding everything but KK and AA in this spot.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: Short-handed play

This is a routine laydown. Very routine.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: Short-handed play

[ QUOTE ]
Villian is pushing a ton of hands and many of them hero has dominated. I didn't run the numbers on how large of a favorite hero is over X hand range but when you do that and look @ the ICM I would say it turns out to be +EV to call. I may be wrong but I don't think so. I'll run it later when I'm on my own computer.

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Remember ICM is not going to account for the short stack who can't pay the blinds. Your calling range here should be AA only. If big stack shows you A2 you still can't call here.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:31 PM
LostMyCaseMoney LostMyCaseMoney is offline
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Well I'm outnumbered by players with more experience at SnGs then me so I guess I lose =] I only started playing 10-man SnGs last week so I guess they know best. Leaks like this from playing 6-man SnGs and NL Ring is why I started low. I'm still curious to run the numbers though.
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