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11-07-2005, 08:47 PM
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Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
Yes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Let me put it quite simply, do you think villian suspect that you have top set based on the flop bet? If so he's fairly psychic. So it's quite likely that he doesn't know this, if so then why would he so vastly over bet the turn here? I mean what hand other than perhaps top set is calling this overbet? Not to mention that there's a WIDE range of hands you're ahead of here and really only ONE maybe two hands that you're behind here.
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#3
11-07-2005, 11:13 PM
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Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
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Can you give me this "WIDE" range of hands that I'm ahead of that are consistent with his flop and turn play? [/ QUOTE ] Can you give a range of villain's holdings that have you beat that are consistent with the flop and turn play? I come up with 10's and 8 10, some other combo draws, but I can't think of much else. I don't think it is unfathomable for a flush draw to take this line given your weak play, which is why I would lean towards betting the turn.
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#4
11-07-2005, 08:04 PM
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Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
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The only thing I'm beating is a flush draw that elects to bluff the turn on my weakness ... [/ QUOTE ] The trouble with checking the turn is it may induce Villain to bluff you out of the pot. Another line you could take would be to bet ~1/2 the pot, which will let you get away from a large raise and will also give you reasonable odds to chase your boat if you get called and you're behind (3 to 1 when you're at worst a 3.5 to 1 dog), while discouraging a bluff (at least more than checking does). -j.a.
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#5
11-07-2005, 08:36 PM
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Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
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[ QUOTE ] The only thing I'm beating is a flush draw that elects to bluff the turn on my weakness ... [/ QUOTE ] The trouble with checking the turn is it may induce Villain to bluff you out of the pot. Another line you could take would be to bet ~1/2 the pot, which will let you get away from a large raise and will also give you reasonable odds to chase your boat if you get called and you're behind (3 to 1 when you're at worst a 3.5 to 1 dog), while discouraging a bluff (at least more than checking does). -j.a. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. Checking this hand makes you completley vunerable. You cant do that here. I would make a 2/5 - 1/2 bet.
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#7
11-07-2005, 08:21 PM
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Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
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Two pair? I must be missing something. I bet this turn at least 1/2 pot. The only reasonable hand you're behind here is TT. 55 seems unlikely. Do you believe villian will raise a strong drawing hand like TJs OOP? If not I don't mind getting it all in here.
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#8
11-08-2005, 08:12 AM
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Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
I'm interested. Let's say you check-call a smaller bet from villain like $100 and you miss on river. Do you plan on check-folding there to another bet? Why are you so quick to put villain on a ten here? In a big pot, if I see 6789 out on the board and a pre-flop raiser checks to me, I'm going to bet it every time reguardless of what I have.... because a preflop raiser is unlikely to have a ten or five.
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#9
11-08-2005, 08:48 AM
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Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
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I'm interested. Let's say you check-call a smaller bet from villain like $100 and you miss on river. Do you plan on check-folding there to another bet? Why are you so quick to put villain on a ten here? In a big pot, if I see 6789 out on the board and a pre-flop raiser checks to me, I'm going to bet it every time reguardless of what I have.... because a preflop raiser is unlikely to have a ten or five. [/ QUOTE ] it wasn't the preflop raiser
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#10
11-08-2005, 08:22 AM
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Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
Seems like an awful big bet if he has a str8. He doesnt know you have top set, and thus, one of the only hands that might call/push Vs this bet, so why does he bet so much?
Some explanations come to mind. 1. He has a T, but he also has a flush draw 2. He has 88 and thinks that he's ahead, but doesnt like all the draws 3. He finds that this is a wonderful place to semi-bluff a guy who checked a 4-str8 board with a flush draw on it (say with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]). I probably push here, suspecting that his bet is just too suspicious, and having outs if Im wrong.
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