A discussion of implied odds of flopping one pair with AK

Call it whatever you want - If I open with AKs and get raised, am I supposed to fold this in NL? I've always been under the impression that this is insta-call, but I have never really thought about it. I guess this is what happens when you use a LHE book (SSHE) as a guide to NL play...

[BobboFitos]

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Yes after the flop that would be accurate. Before the flop there is already a blind bet out there. Therefore a re-raise of an original raise is a 3 bet.

Class dismissed.

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technically an open is a 3bet, as the small blind is initial bet, and the big blind is a min raise. :P

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I'm far from an unquestioned authority on this, but you are wrong.

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Ok, explain then. I'm not exactly the authority on terminology, nor do I strive for that, but it pretty much seems to be that way (above)

*And, on the forum, the terminology "3bet" DOES refer to:
Someone raises, someone else reraises, I PUT THE "3RD BET" in. This is why people say just call, dont 3bet, with AA/KK...

[Allinlife]

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you got lucky against bad player.

w/o read of opponent being so bad that they get married to KK/QQ regardless of ace flopping or not, the preflop call sucks.

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So finally we get to the crux of my orginial post! I certainly did not have a read as specific as, "will not fold QQ with an ace on board". But I certainly had a read that he was a very weak player. Is that read not specific enough to make this call?

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so we get back to my point. you got lucky because typical "weak-tight" players will not commit their stack with KK/QQ on A high flop.

wtf are you gonna do when he leads AK less board? fold because there's no way you are ahead vs his range?

how about AK board? call and hope he has KK/QQ on A high board and QQ on K high board?

w/o specific reads like "goes to felt with less than tptk", preflop call sucks.

Just to add to the concensus -

1 2 & 3

Opening raise, re-raise, then 3-bet.

[ericlambi]

I think position is important in this scenario. I would fold out of position.