Heartland Poker Tour allows questionable entry option

[tek]

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Logic obviously is not one of your strong suits.

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And reading comprehension isn't one of yours. (Besides the fact that you can't spell the word "always"). [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

You and others keeping talking oranges, while I'm talking apples.

Buying into a main event qualifying round versus winning a satellite to that qualifying round is a different issue than buying directly into a final round without having to qualify at all...

[miajag81]

I am surprised someone with as many posts as you is making such a stupid argument.

1) You want to be playing against bad players, not good players, in every situation in poker. No exception.

2) This is still no different from a normal tournament like the WSOP ME that has satellites as well as a direct buyin option. It's ridiculous to say it's "not fair" because you can't afford the direct buyin. If you don't like the tournament's structure, just don't play in it and stop whining.

[TomHimself]

he intentionally spellt always wrong smart guy

[benneh]

what aJOPKE

[tek]

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If you don't like the tournament's structure, just don't play in it and stop whining.

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If you don't like my posts, then just don't reply and stop whining.

But seriously, if you guys don't see the difference between buying into a final round versus a qualifying round then there's no point in continuing.

As far as affording the $2k, it's a strategic issue more than a financial. As I said, $2k is better spent entering a bigger event with a bigger payoff.

I don't blame the HPT guys for trying any trick they can think of. I know it's tough to run a start-up business, especially a tournament business. I used to bowl competitively. TD's have people coming at them from all directions and have the uphill task of trying to please all of them while building a bigger base of competitors, sponsors and prize funds.

[Chief911]

Ok, later when I have nothing better to do than attempt to explain this in what your brain will think is logical, I'll try to make it more clear why there is NO DIFFERENCE to the end customer between a satellite - main event scenario, and a qualifier - main event scenario. Come to think of it, wouldn't you think satellite and qualifier are somewhat synonymous?

Regardless. Here's another reason this is great.

In event #3, the total prize pool appeared to be 100k. That means that assuming a $300 entry (Plus rake) there were 334 people that entered the qualifiers. And if 20% advanced, then a total of 67 people played in the finals.

Lets assume the same, with direct buy-in still available. And lets pretend that 20% of the people are going to direct buy in, and of those 20%, 10% will attempt to qualify first.

So, 334 people show up again. But 33 of them are going to plunk down 1500 (The direct buyin for a $300 event) instead of qualifying. So add $49500 to the prize pool right away. 300 people play qualifiers, adding 90k to the prize pool. And since 25 of our 34 people who tried to qualify but intended to direct buyin didnt make it, they then buy in directly for another $37500.

So, instead of having a 90 or 100k prizepool, we now have a prize pool that is $177000.

68 people qualified. 59 people bought in directly. So 127 people play on Sunday for a prize pool of 177k.

Please, oh please tell me how this cannot be GREAT for a solid/good player??

Nick

Note: I made this post with 3 minutes while my wife pestered me to leave. I did not double check my math. So meh. donkeys alwasy draw~

[CardSharpCook]

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The top 20% advance to Sunday. Final table will be televised to air at a later date.
Buy-In: $400 + $40 Entry Fee

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ok, top 20% advance, so that's one in five. so, 5*$440 = $2200. You "win" $2200 by finishing in the top 20%. Direct buy-in players pay the same. I have no problem with this. True, I prefer smaller fields, I am a much better SH player, but I'm not gonna complain about more players buying in.

[tek]

As I said before you reading comprehension is poor. I agree the extra money going nto the prize fund is +EV. That's not the issue. The issue is they get to skate in.

And as I said in my OP, let me pay $4k and skate into the final table directly...

A personal note to Chief. Your people skills suck. You imply that I am stupid because I don't agree with you on some points. Well, you are stupid because you keep hammering the money aspect (which I agreed with) which is not the crux of the issue.

Obviously you obtained your moderator role not through ability but most likely from _______. Readers use your imagination. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[TomHimself]

how are the skating into the final table directly?

[Chief911]

Attempt at logic #2:

Please tell me how comparing these two things are apples and oranges.


Situation 1

The tournaments is on Sunday. The buyin is $2000 +150.
There is a supersatellite tournament on friday and saturday evenings to the sunday event. You buyin for $400 +25 and they will pay out seats in sundays tourney for every $2150 that is in the final prize pool. If you choose to, you may simply buy in for $2000 +150, as is standard for a tournament.


Situation 2:

The tournament is on Sunday. The buyin is $2000 + 150. There are qualifiers at 8 am and 5 pm on friday and saturday. The buyin at those qualifiers is $400 + 25, and the top 20% will advance to the tournament on sunday. If you choose to, you may simply buy in for $2000 +150, as is standard for a tournament.


Please tell me how these two situations are drastically different? The only difference, is that one of these situations is par for the course at the Bellagio or any other casino that hosts tourneys. The other situation is obviously the HPT event setup. The ONLY difference between these two, is the use of the word qualifier vs. supersatellite.

Tek, agree or disagree? If disagree, please explain clearly.

Nick