Good Line?

TheRempel · #1 08-22-2005, 11:26 PM

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $1.00 BB (9 handed) converter

Hero ($251.65)
SB ($35.75)
BB ($41.60)
UTG ($22)
UTG+1 ($44.25)
MP1 ($206.10)
MP2 ($90.85)
MP3 ($84.95)
CO ($227.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls $4, CO calls $4.

Flop: ($22) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($22) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, CO bets $3, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $12, MP3 folds, CO calls $9.

River: ($58) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $20, SB calls $18.75 (All-In), CO folds.

Final Pot: $96.75
Main Pot: $95.50, between Hero and SB. > Pot won by SB ($95.50).
Pot 2: $1.25, returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
SB has Ks Ad 2s Td (two pair, aces and tens).

Outcome: SB wins $95.50. Hero wins $1.25.

autobet · #2 08-22-2005, 11:45 PM

If you are going to raise the turn, you can raise the pot to put more pressure on your opps. Probably calling the turn and hoping to get help is best.

Check the river and hope your hand is good.

TheRempel · #3 08-23-2005, 12:00 AM

I definitely didn't feel I was ahead. I represented AA on the turn and followed through on the river.

Is the second bluff not worthwhile? I didn't quite raise the pot on the turn and I agree, that was a mistake.

autobet · #4 08-23-2005, 12:08 AM

You have AK which could be good, so you are not really bluffing. Your bet is too small to get most players to fold a better aces up.

#5 08-23-2005, 12:44 AM

I don't think that play is too bad, besides the river. It looks to me that he's calling. You could have saved yourself some money.

#6 08-23-2005, 02:20 AM

it also depends a lot on your image and who your opponent is. all in all his small stack suggests he'll call with any kind of decent hand.

Filip · #7 08-23-2005, 08:08 PM

I dont like it.

Why not bet the flop? You are the preflop raiser and last to act, wouldnt u have bet KK or AA in that spot?

To me his turn bet represents that the ace gave him 2 pair or a flush draw. I would have called, you have position and can make a play on the river if a scary river comes and he checks for example.

I would have checked behind on the river since i dont think he would call with a worse hand.

45Player · #8 08-24-2005, 09:45 AM

I don’t think your play was too good here.

You are trying to represents Aces on the turn. However from your opponents’ point of view they would assume that you would bet Aces on the flop given that the board is relatively safe, and that everybody checked to you. So, your turn raise is a bit suspicious.
They won’t necessarily give you credit for having Aces.

If the SB is drawing to a straight or flush, then he missed it and your river bet is pointless as he won’t call.
If he is not drawing to a straight or flush, then his turn call indicates at least Aces up.
There are only 2 Aces left and he has to have a major doubt that you have them, so he
is very likely to call your river bet.
Also, he is getting over 3/1 which is another strong incentive to calling.

A similar argument applies to the CO. However there is an additional issue here.
The fact that he bet $3 on the turn into a $20 dollar pot indicates that he’s not too sure of this game, so he probably is not thinking too much about your suspicious raise. He’s just looking at his own hand, and any bluff on your part (no matter how fancy) was probably doomed anyway !