Flopped Nuts, Folded Turn, Bad Laydown?

_Kevin_ · #1 08-07-2005, 11:18 AM

Both players were slightly loose and slightly passive (these are not complete fishes). Neither had done anything unreasonable in the 50 hands I had played with them so I respected their play. The way the hand was shaping up, I didn't think I could get to showdown cheaply and I'm drawing dead if I'm behind. I figured at best I had a split with another AQ and 2 pair. Is this a reasonable laydown?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, MP3 caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

River: (16.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 18.25 BB

Buccaneer · #2 08-07-2005, 11:24 AM

Why did you check the flop? The preflop indicated to me that those that stayed in wanted to play.

_Kevin_ · #3 08-07-2005, 11:31 AM

I checked with the intention of raising (which I did).

shermn27 · #4 08-07-2005, 11:53 AM

I think I would have had to see the river on this one. The 10 on the river makes me think I would have folded it there. A boat is definitally out there at that point, but I am not sure that the turn king means we are behind.

Brice · #5 08-07-2005, 11:57 AM

Folding on the turn is not a very good play. I would have to see this to the river. When the board paired again on the river, I would have to get out.

marchron · #6 08-07-2005, 12:56 PM

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Is this a reasonable laydown?

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No.

MP3 could have boated up on the turn, but he could also still have A/K for trips and a gutshot.

The river board-pair gives a boat to anyone with K/x or 10/x, so fold then.

Rev. Good Will · #7 08-07-2005, 02:11 PM

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since you did check with the intention of raising, you were anticipating a check from MP2 and a bet from MP3, having MP2 face 2 cold and probably knocking him out. Was that your intention?

I personally would have just bet/3bet this

grimel · #8 08-07-2005, 03:05 PM

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The river board-pair gives a boat to anyone with K/x or 10/x, so fold then.

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For ONE bet?

2+2 wannabe · #9 08-07-2005, 03:18 PM

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The river board-pair gives a boat to anyone with K/x or 10/x, so fold then.

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For ONE bet?

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i'd find it tough to overcall this 3rd spade, 2 pair river card, even only having to win ~4% of the time - but i'd probably still do it and punch [censored]

bozlax · #10 08-07-2005, 03:19 PM

Given the likelihood that this flop hit somebody else, you have a chance to make some money, here. Bet out and hope at least one player raises you so you can 3-bet. If both players raise, you cap. You're in the lead, get money in!

Bad turn fold. The way it went, I cap. You are more likely to be up against trips or two-pair than something that beats your straight.

Fold the river if it's more than one to you. You're behind to straight flushes, flushes, and boats at this point.