Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Limit Texas Hold'em > Mid-High Stakes Shorthanded

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 11-29-2005, 01:34 PM
Alobar Alobar is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Tempe, AZ
Posts: 795
Default Re: This is terrible, right?

[ QUOTE ]
Why are u posting this hand if u think it was a bad play? What do u want us to say?

Instead of me saying something I would like you to answer:

What was your plan preflop?

What was your plan on flop, not just for the flop but for the whole hand? What did u put SB that makes your raise fine?

What was your plan on turn, not just for the turn but for turn and river?

What did u think on river?

[/ QUOTE ]

really good post kiddo, I like this.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-29-2005, 05:10 PM
ddubois ddubois is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 97
Default Re: This is terrible, right?

Well, once you get there, the river seems fine. UTG has a busted flush draw 1/9th of the time, at least.

I have no idea what SB has, and any of my thoughts on it will certainly be tainted by the fact that he folded the turn. (99? JJ?) You need a read here like "SB weak leads with weak hands, CRs strong hands" to begin to justify your play here.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-29-2005, 06:21 PM
xorbie xorbie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,828
Default Re: This is terrible, right?

[ QUOTE ]
Why are u posting this hand if u think it was a bad play? What do u want us to say?

Instead of me saying something I would like you to answer:

What was your plan preflop?

What was your plan on flop, not just for the flop but for the whole hand? What did u put SB that makes your raise fine?

What was your plan on turn, not just for the turn but for turn and river?

What did u think on river?

[/ QUOTE ]

Why would I post hands I thought were easy that I played well? I thought PF my hand was good, I could likely get UTG to fold a hand he might think was dominated and also if he had limped another small pair 44-66 he might fold it postflop. On the flop this guy had been donk betting before, I raise and if SB calls I'm putting no more in the pot, but I think this bet has good FE against 88 or so. Am I wrong? Maybe. On the turn, I figure I'm good against QJ/AJ/AQ, and after he just calls I figure check/call is the best way to get a river bet out of an aggro player.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-29-2005, 06:27 PM
xCEO xCEO is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 98
Default Re: This is terrible, right?

UTG limpers don't fold very often for 2 more bets
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-29-2005, 07:16 PM
kiddo kiddo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Stockholm, Sweden, Europe
Posts: 335
Default Re: This is terrible, right?

This is what I was looking for, now we can start discuss.

[ QUOTE ]
I thought PF my hand was good, I could likely get UTG to fold a hand he might think was dominated and also if he had limped another small pair 44-66 he might fold it postflop.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, 22 is good against any unpaired cards preflop but against 2 loose guys u will normally have to take it to showdown and then your 22s are 50/50 against any2 cards except pairs where it is a big underdog. And u will never know where u are since all cards are overcards. So u really like to 3bet 22 against tight players, not against loose ones.

And u cant likely make a VPIP 40% fold since he already put money in pot. So it will normally be 3way.

[ QUOTE ]
On the flop this guy had been donk betting before, I raise and if SB calls I'm putting no more in the pot, but I think this bet has good FE against 88 or so. Am I wrong? Maybe.

[/ QUOTE ]

You seen him donkbet before against 2 players after pot got 3bet preflop? Even bad players normally dont donkbet with nothing when they know it is zero chance others will fold.

I agree that u can make other guy fold a better hand, but I dont that argument is strong enough to try to move him off his hand again.

[ QUOTE ]
On the turn, I figure I'm good against QJ/AJ/AQ, and after he just calls I figure check/call is the best way to get a river bet out of an aggro player.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, u are. But u cant really put both on QJ/AJ/AQ, can you? Of course its possible, but very unlikely since they both called 2 bets on flop with inside straight.

On river I can see a checkcall, because now u have to hope he is on a busted draw somehow.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-29-2005, 07:29 PM
NLSoldier NLSoldier is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St. Cloud, MN
Posts: 91
Default Re: This is terrible, right?

yep.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.