Ugly board w/ K K vs. LAG.

kongo_totte · #1 09-20-2005, 11:30 PM

Villian is 50/10.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

SB ($64.60)
BB ($133.80)
Hero ($105.95)
UTG+1 ($91.05)
MP1 ($34.83)
MP2 ($27.15)
MP3 ($139.35)
CO ($87.50)
Button ($173.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $4, MP1 calls $4, 2 folds, CO calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($17.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, CO calls $15.

Turn: ($47.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
What is heros plan?

orange · #2 09-21-2005, 01:41 AM

I think I like checking the turn. c/c-ing is good for pot control- c/f-ing is an option, but I don't think I'm ready to give this hand up to a reasonable bet.

LaramieJC · #3 09-21-2005, 02:18 AM

I really hate these situations when you are smooth called for a relatively large pot sized bet on the flop with a low card board. I would put him on a small pocket pair for a set, 89s, or J10s from the way he has played so far -although you'd probably see a raise from two pair. I believe that I am behind the majority of the time and c/f here. I would like to know his went to showdown % and his win $ at showdown % before I made this decision though.

amoeba · #4 09-21-2005, 02:40 AM

this is precisely why I almost never 4xbb raise utg at a calling station table with a hand that I'm pretty much autobetting the flop.

orange · #5 09-21-2005, 02:44 AM

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this is precisely why I almost never 4xbb raise utg at a calling station table with a hand that I'm pretty much autobetting the flop.

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So do you raise more PF? You don't mean flat-calling do you?

amoeba · #6 09-21-2005, 02:46 AM

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this is precisely why I almost never 4xbb raise utg at a calling station table with a hand that I'm pretty much autobetting the flop.

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So do you raise more PF? You don't mean flat-calling do you?

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raise more if you think it will cut down on number of callers, limp reraise if you think even a 6xbb or 8xbb raise will get called multiway.

orange · #7 09-21-2005, 02:58 AM

Ok..thought thats what you were advocating.

amoeba · #8 09-21-2005, 03:03 AM

our biggest problem is that these guys while willing to call our preflop bet, will likely not call the inevitable flop bet without something that has overpair beaten. maybe a draw which is the best you can hope for. the biggest problem is that your flop bet is so many times bigger than your preflop bet due to the multiple callers preflop.

on the turn you can try checking to control pot size but even calling 2 1/2 pot bets will have you pretty much all in.

wtfsvi · #9 09-21-2005, 03:11 AM

I would be happy if my continuation bets never got called by one pair hands.

amoeba · #10 09-21-2005, 03:16 AM

ok point taken, if you are able to bet preflop UTG with AK and then lead pot on the flop with ace high in to 4 other players then you will make money off your continuation if they are the type described above. but how many people are willing to do this?

also what do you do if an A or K turns?