Lou Krieger's non-sense cardplayer artical.

[Oblivious]

here

I dont know why he thinks online games are looser than games live. 3-6 to 6-12 live holdem is MUCH looser than games of the same limits online.

[Michael Davis]

Yes, Krieger is just wrong here. I wonder if he actually plays online. Or he has terrible B&M game selection.

-Michael

[oljumpstart]

this same assertion is made by John vorheaus (sp?) in his "killer online poker" book. I've never played Royal Vegas, but I assume it falls within the range of other sites, where this is generally not the case. At the "lowest limits" perhaps there is some truth to this, as online sites offer micro games not found in B&M, but for even money it's just not true.

[Michael Davis]

Well, I let my cousin play microlimits on my account and he sends me some transcripts for discussions. Invariably, the microlimit games are tighter and more aggressive than games up to 5-10 or so in B&M rooms.

-Michael

[Michael Davis]

Well, I let my cousin play microlimits on my account and he sends me some transcripts for discussions. Invariably, the microlimit games are tighter and more aggressive than games up to 5-10 or so in B&M rooms.

-Michael

[edrugtrader]

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I dont know why he thinks online games are looser than games live. 3-6 to 6-12 live holdem is MUCH looser than games of the same limits online.

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agreed 100%. my home turf is garden city and bay 101. i play the 6/12, 8-16 and 20-40 about the same time at each. they average 5+ players per flop usually. 2 bets to see the turn doesn't limit the field much. online is usually 3-4 players per flop, and i've seen some of the tightest play surprising at the UB 1-2 tables.

Lou is simply wrong.

[Blarg]

7 to 10 to a flop is extremely common in Commerce in L.A. Many games have everyone in and it's always capped preflop, for hours.

[edrugtrader]

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7 to 10 to a flop is extremely common in Commerce in L.A. Many games have everyone in and it's always capped preflop, for hours.

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yup... and i got stuck in the 9-18 there one night behind the board when it was happening.

i'm just saying that if you took a 50 hand sample from 20 different tables on 20 different days, the players/flop would be a little over 5 in the cali cardrooms. if you did the same thing online at the same limits, it would be much lower, probably a little less than 4.

i've played significantly at both and it seems like an obvious fact.

but lets look at card player... count the cost of the ads online casinos buy, and the cost of the B&M ads. if they tell their readers "the place to play is online...", then they are buying advertising insurance. i'm not saying they would lie to build ad revenues... but... yes i am [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[lacky]

i might need to make a roadtrip to LA!

[Boopotts]

I think Lou Kreiger is probably a nice guy. But I lost respect for him when he suggested that everyone would benefit if limit hold 'em went to a 3-tier betting structure-- the argument being, of course, that the game as it stands puts too high a premium on luck, and that a 3-tier structure would change that.

Well, he's right. It would change that. But that's still got to be about the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Ever wonder why there's no mid-limit spead limit games around (barring a few)? Because a three-tier structure, or a spread limit structure, breaks that bad players too quickly. I heard that and I thought: 'here's a guy whose probably a career 4-8 player who has finally had it with the beats'. Not exactly the kind of profile I want to draw up on a leading poker authority.