KK with lots of action preflop...

[bwana devil]

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imo, hero's flop play in this hand is surely debateable.

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i wouldnt slow down by either player by the flop. micro limits raising each other on the flop id say youre good way more times than not w/ AA/KK in this situaion.

by the turn id stop a raising war if i had either AA or KK thinking the other might have improved but i dont see any good reason to slow down before then.

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if villain had AA he played it perfectly.

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I'd cap the flop with AA here knowing that KK will still call me down.

[numeri]

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if villain had AA he played it perfectly.

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I'd cap the flop with AA here knowing that KK will still call me down.

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Is that enough to make up for the times you're up against QQ?

[MrWookie47]

I'm up against KK twice as often as I am against QQ.

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I'm up against KK twice as often as I am against QQ.

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Absent reads this would be a pretty easy flop cap at 1/2, let alone .05/.10

[numeri]

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I'm up against KK twice as often as I am against QQ.

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Do you raise the turn when led in to again? (If you have AA, that is.)

[numeri]

Let's analyze this from villain's perspective here, who holds AA.

Assumptions:
1. On the flop, any of AA-QQ are equally likely for villain (plaidlesspez). (Weighted by how many are possible, of course.)
2. Villain (plaidlesspez) will play hard with QQ.
3. Villain (plaidlesspez) will call down after a flop cap with KK.

There are 6 combinations of KK, 3 combinations of QQ, and one other combination of AA, so:

P(KK) = 0.6
P(QQ) = 0.3

Limiting our plan to two choices:

1) Cap flop, raise turn, call down if 3-bet.
In this case, we lose 4.5 BB to QQ (0.5* on the flop, 3 on the turn, and 1 on the river) and gain 2.5 from KK (0.5* on the flop, 1 on the turn, and 1 on the river)

2) Call flop, call down.
Here, we lose 2 to QQ (0* on the flop, 1 on the turn, and 1 on the river) and gain 2 from KK (0* on the flop, 1 on turn and 1 on river).

EV(1) = 0.6*2.5 - 0.3*4.5 = 0.15 BB
EV(2) = 0.6*2 - 0.3*2 = 0.6 BB

* I'm not sure how to handle this flop, since villain will have already bet. How do we count villain's bet? I just decided to basically assume I have already called, and then decide what to do from there. Regardless, the results would be comparable.

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imo, hero's flop play in this hand is surely debateable.

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What's debateably wrong with it?

[KaiShin]

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imo, hero's flop play in this hand is surely debateable.

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What's debateably wrong with it?

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He's likely talking about the flop 3-bet. Once MP2 is out of the hand, its a good idea to smoothcall then see how the turn develops.

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if villain had AA he played it perfectly.

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I'd cap the flop with AA here knowing that KK will still call me down.

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Is that enough to make up for the times you're up against QQ?

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Seeing as AA wins over 75% of the time (according to my stats anyway), I'm going to say "Yes I think so".