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#11
11-30-2005, 03:12 PM
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Re: results
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value, what am I losing to here (besides what I lost to)? Okay, how about I called the turn and another blank comes on the river. He pushes and I am getting 3:1 on the call. Am I folding? [/ QUOTE ] He'd be betting about $87 and the pot about $119....hmmm. My hopes would be that someone who could only bet 1/4 pot on the turn, wouldn't be up to bet that much on the river, which is usually the case. I think that's what I would count on after calling the flop c/r. Which I'm not so sure I would have called. If you're pushing the turn, why didn't you 3-bet push the flop. Or are you pushing just because of the size of his turn bet? 
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#12
11-30-2005, 03:12 PM
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Re: AK vs. c/r
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If I'm mucking that small bet on a blank turn shouldn't I have folded the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, you can't call that big a c-r on the flop and then fold to a small turn bet. Not sure I would've pushed the turn, but you likely would have been forced all-in on the river anyway.
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#13
11-30-2005, 03:16 PM
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Re: results
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If you're pushing the turn, why didn't you 3-bet push the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. I posted because I wanted to know if pushing the flop was the standard line in this situation.
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#15
11-30-2005, 03:24 PM
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Re: results
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[ QUOTE ] If you're pushing the turn, why didn't you 3-bet push the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. I posted because I wanted to know if pushing the flop was the standard line in this situation. [/ QUOTE ] IMHO, standard line in this situation is cheap showdown. Or folding to the flop c/r. I'd probably fold it against an unknown. It's a gutsy move to c/r that flop against a PFR unless you have a 6. I'd like to know villian is capable of that before calling his c/r. And for him to make a move on you without a 6, he would have to know that you are capable of laying down AK/AA in that spot. Because I don't see him really doing that with KQ/KJ, although I suppose it's possible.
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#18
11-30-2005, 03:37 PM
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Re: results
One more thought...once you get to the turn the way you did, you are in a classic WA/WB situation. If you are ahead, he's got a TT/KQ type hand and is drawing to 2 or 3 outs. If you are behind, you are drawing to 2 outs. So that's why calling is betting than pushing IMO.
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#19
11-30-2005, 04:03 PM
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Re: AK vs. c/r
I would def. bet atleast 10 into that pot and not try and Check call. Your giving him advantage there. You can possible protect from him raising 35 by betting in 10. If he has the 6 (his starting hand is either A6 or 66)....either way your behind. But if he has the nuts he would most likely call and then break it hard on the turn with the blank.
At which point you might want to reconsider your hand. It is possible that he is trying to protect face card pocket pairs....but unsure....
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#20
11-30-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: AK vs. c/r
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Check flop, call turn, bet river or call if he bets again. Presto. [/ QUOTE ] I like this line alot. wa/wb. Dont play for your stack here, cuz if he is willing to felt it, you are behind.
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