When to take the free card - Page 2

Yads · #11 10-11-2005, 03:39 PM

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there are two weak limpers

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there, fixed that for you. do some pokerstoving and discover that you have an equity deficit.

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Hmm you're probably right, but I did a pokerstove analysis and I have a slight equity edge vs a weak limper (limping with about 34% of hands) and a random hand. about 36 to 28 to 34. I figure with positional advantage that could easily be bumped up a couple of more percent. I guess the situation is probably marginal and with 2 weak limpers it definitely becomes +EV.

baronzeus · #12 10-11-2005, 03:42 PM

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Why are you limping with 109o?

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if the limp is -EV, it's not very -EV, and he has the button. Definitely not terrible by any means. JTo would be an easy limp IMO.

#13 10-11-2005, 03:45 PM

I dont personally like the limp unless ive been beating up the other limper for a while. I think we bet turn here, and check river ui or pending a better read, my newer question. is if the turn bet gets CR, do we fold to his river bet ui?????????????
thanks
chris

waffle · #14 10-11-2005, 03:51 PM

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 42.8807 % 41.35% 01.53% { 55+, A2s+, K4s+, Q6s+, J7s+, T7s+, 98s,
A4o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 2: 28.8814 % 27.54% 01.34% { T9o }
Hand 3: 28.2379 % 27.10% 01.13% { random }
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that's a 34% limper.. here's a 40%.

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 41.2571 % 39.76% 01.49% { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+,
87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+ }
Hand 2: 29.9692 % 28.67% 01.30% { T9o }
Hand 3: 28.7737 % 27.58% 01.19% { random }
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Stefan_K · #15 10-11-2005, 04:01 PM

no it would be very bad to take a free card here, you have very likely the best hand. bet, and if you get raised you have a cuple of outs, and will maybee call the river even if you dont hit

mantasm · #16 10-11-2005, 04:03 PM

You can probably throw out 88/99+, AT/AJ+, A9s+, KJ+, KTs+ because he'd raise with them. Maybe some others. I'd like to see the results.

waffle · #17 10-11-2005, 04:03 PM

Good idea. I wasn't thinking clearly. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 38.4120 % 36.71% 01.71% { 99-44, A8s-A2s, K9s-K2s, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, ATo-A3o, KTo-K7o, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 2: 31.2595 % 29.78% 01.48% { T9o }
Hand 3: 30.3284 % 29.04% 01.29% { random }
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Code:<hr /><pre>
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 37.5065 % 35.72% 01.78% { 77-44, A8s-A2s, K9s-K2s, Q9s-Q4s, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A9o-A3o, K9o-K7o, QTo-Q8o, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 2: 31.9721 % 30.43% 01.55% { T9o }
Hand 3: 30.5214 % 29.19% 01.33% { random }

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baronzeus · #18 10-11-2005, 04:17 PM

if you limp you can expect SB to come with almost any 2. also you have the button. 30% equity 3 ways is more than enough. put in 65s into that and do that as well. i limp both of those hands behind a bad limper.

waffle · #19 10-11-2005, 04:23 PM

yeah, positional advantage + skill advantage make it ok. i just don't do it because i'm a nit.

Yads · #20 10-11-2005, 04:26 PM

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You can probably throw out 88/99+, AT/AJ+, A9s+, KJ+, KTs+ because he'd raise with them. Maybe some others. I'd like to see the results.

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That's what i was thinking, I gave him 34% limping hands, ie someone that is like >50% VPIP. I may have given him too great a range. I think it's marginal and I can see a fold being correct. I still think with the button this can be a +EV situation especially if SB comes along.