Do you bluff here?

[The Don]

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I fold the river. I don't think that villian is laying down his hand especially if he caught his ace (which is likely) and because you are already ITM. I agree with everyone and bet the flop though. A substantial bet at that.

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Why fold the river when you just have to call 300?

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Because I fold when I believe I have a 0% chance of having the best hand. No chance villian makes a bet this small without a better hand than a pair of fours. Of course, I never would have put myself in this position in the first place... this hand was played very poorly in general.

EDIT: Moving in is better than calling here but folding is still by far the best option.

[downtown]

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My question is why did you check the flop? I would've bet while I was likely ahead.

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I think I push this flop to a non-tricky min-raiser who just checked the flop to me. (See Scuba's post though if he usually bets these.) Unless I missed something and this is a thinking, tricky player, I think I'm ahead.

Then again I've developed this agression thing that once ITM has gotten me a lot of 1sts, a few 3rds, but not too many 2nds recently FWIW.

[Jay36489]

I bet this flop too. anyway...

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BTW, his turn bet convinced me that he had a weak K or A and had missed completely.

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Yeah, that bet struck me as odd. He makes a half ass bet that leaves him with almost exactly what little stack has left. Is he planning out what to do when he loses? I think so. Sounds like missed Ace high to me. If I checked the flop, push turn. The way it played out river looks like a value bet that you have to pay off.

[SlackerMcFly]

I thought about pushing the turn, but was 5:1 to improve (not to the best hand) and pot odds were 3:1, so I just called.

BTW, I agree with everyone that I played this hand poorly and got my a*ss in a trap. That said, does anyone push all-in after Villain's t300 bet on the river?

Thanks! SlackerMcDonkey

[SlackerMcFly]

Now you kids don't try this at home. I'm an experienced recreational player:

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 7: Villain ( $2748 )
Seat 9: Hero ( $3352 )
Seat 6: Button ( $1900 )
Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
Button folds.
Villain raises [450].
Hero calls [300].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] , 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] , Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Villain checks.
Hero checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
Villain bets [448].
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Hero calls [448].
** Dealing River ** [ A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Villain bets [300].
Hero is all-In [2304] - (I insta-pushed)
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Villain: <font color="blue"> i have one too but with a bad kickers
</font> Villain folds.
Hero does not show cards.
Hero wins 4700 chips
<font color="blue"> Villain: or did you buy one on me </font>
Villain: <font color="blue">ill remeber that
</font> Hero: <font color="red">good fold </font>

Moohaahaa! SlackerMcBalls

[SuitedSixes]

I fold pre-flop.

If I make a move I do it on the turn.

[pokerlaw]

If you are going to bluff, fire out a bet on the flop.

[SlackerMcFly]

AAARGH! I already admitted that the hand was played poorly from the start, on the flop and the turn. Appreciate the advice and all, but...... &lt;----(note to Drapes).

I did not ask how to play 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] pre-flop, post-flop or the turn.

The obvious play is to fold this pre-flop.
The obvious play is to push on the flop.
The obvious play is to fold the turn (having missed the straight).

The only question is:
Do you or don't you bluff having found yourself (or forced yourself) into this position? And, what are your thoughts behind your decision?

My thinking is included above. Probably not Level 2 or above intelligent thought, but I want to win chips. How do YOU win chips given this circumstance?

SlackerMcRant