A couple of pocket pair river questions

PhatTBoll · #1 10-19-2004, 07:56 PM

These hands don't have much to do with each other, except that they are both pocket pair hands where I feel like I might have misplayed the river.

Hand 1:

Very loose passive table.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (3 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (3 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 5 BB
Main Pot: 5 BB, between UTG+1 and Hero.

Hand 2:

SB is a TAG. BB is loose passive

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB calls, MP3 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB
Main Pot: 11.50 BB, between Hero, SB and BB.

Evan · #2 10-19-2004, 08:04 PM

1) raise the river

2) I'd probably check behind and expect to win (retarded?). Getting check-raised here sucks.

PhatTBoll · #3 10-19-2004, 08:09 PM

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1) raise the river

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The pot is tiny and nobody has shown any strength. Do I stand a better chance of winning more bets by raising rather than going for overcalls?

Evan · #4 10-19-2004, 08:10 PM

There's no garauntee anyone will overcall. If someone bets they're likely to call a raise.

sthief09 · #5 10-19-2004, 09:02 PM

I agree with Evan about the first hand, but I'd bet hand 2. The reason for this is that most people won't check-raise in this situation. Think about if you had the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Would you check, hoping to check-raise or would you bet, just being happy with whatever bets you can get in? I'd go with the latter. A lot of your opponents will feel the same way. If I bet, I'm more concerned about being called by a better [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] than raised by one. I'll still bet though, because most of the time, if they call the turn, they usually have enough of a hand to call the river, even with 4 of a suit out there.

Evan · #6 10-19-2004, 09:04 PM

Do you call a river c/r in hand 2?