Four Hands vs xxTHEJOKERxx stars 10-20

Jason Strasser · #1 09-09-2005, 07:08 PM

For those who don't know, this player is very good IMO. Extremely loose preflop and smart LAG postflop. Hands are in chronological order, and I think the first is by far the most interesting to discuss. How did I do? Hand 2 and 4 are very similar, and I'm wondering if I should contine to take this approach or if I'm just going to broke playing like that.

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SB ($3776)
BB ($477.50)
Hero ($2498)
MP1 ($8403)
MP2 ($2560)
CO ($2194)
Button ($1824)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $80, MP1 calls $80, MP2 calls $80, 1 fold, Button calls $80, 2 folds.

Flop: ($350) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $280, MP1 calls $280, MP2 calls $280, Button folds.

Turn: ($1190) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $440, MP1 calls $440, MP2 folds.

River: ($2070) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $400, MP1 raises to $7603, Hero calls $1298 (All-In).

Final Pot: $11371

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MP3 ($7496.50)
Hero ($2000)
Button ($3857.50)
SB ($4751)
BB ($2000)
UTG ($388)
UTG+1 ($5096.90)
MP1 ($1500)
MP2 ($2000)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $100, Button calls $100, SB calls $90, 1 fold, MP1 calls $80.

Flop: ($420) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets $280, SB folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1900

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Button ($5476)
Hero ($1920)
BB ($2115)
UTG ($1957.50)
MP ($10079.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $20, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $60, BB folds, MP raises to $180, Hero calls $120.

Turn: ($420) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($420) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $340 with the plan to fold to a raise probably.

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Hero ($2010)
BB ($8470)
Button ($3210)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $80, BB calls $60.

Flop: ($160) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $120, BB raises to $400, Hero raises to $1930

-Jason

jayheaps · #2 09-09-2005, 07:12 PM

Hand 1: My biggest issue if bet size. I think you probably need to bet more, especially considering that you have 2 flop callers. Not having played against him much, i would also have considered a flop check-raise. Given his tendancies though, not sure if the result of the hand woulf change much since thats a tough laydown to make.

fsuplayer · #3 09-09-2005, 07:21 PM

in hand 1, I think you need to check or bet alot, maybe all in.

your hand is strong atm, but half the deck is not good on the river.

were you hoping to get raised I guess?

it looks like he waited for the river for some reason to make his move, hopefully thats all it is, a move with little to nothing.

i like the other ones fine, i think.

i really like the 1010 hand, letting the button bet, see the action, then pound him when it ends up being HU.

i certainly dont envy your variance against this guy though [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

Jason Strasser · #4 09-09-2005, 07:28 PM

Yes, I really didnt see myself folding hand one so I made a bet to induce action from a bluff or to induce a possible value raise with a worse hand like a set, which he is capable of if he thought I'd call it off with AA here.

-Jason

lapoker17 · #5 09-09-2005, 07:32 PM

In hand 1 you have to pot the turn. You were apparently looking to get raised, but in reality you priced in any draw. He's probably good enought o know you wanted to get raised there, so he didn't. I make the call as well, but hate doing it. I'm assuming you won the hand.

The others look good to me - although I'm not sure I'd fold to a raise in the last one.

neon · #6 09-09-2005, 08:26 PM

In hand #1, what was your reasoning for betting so little on the turn? I'm betting at least $1k here; the only possible rationale I can come up w/ for not making a pottish, committing raise is (aside from the obvious one, him having J8) the fear that he's freerolling you (A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], etc). I suppose you might have been trying to induce a bluff/semi-bluff raise out of him on the turn, representing an overpair that's scared of the board, since that's certainly something I would fancy a good post-flop playing LAG capable of.

I'm not wild paying off on the river, either, but your hand is so well disguised that he could be pushing a set or even two pair, putting you on an overpair . . .

In hand #2, I'm not sure what your image is, but this bet seems a bit reckless to me, unless villain thinks you're tilting from hand one, when you called on the river and lost to villain's flush, and is apt to put you on two big hearts, or air. I'm guessing you're going for a call from a smaller overpair, but I doubt that a smart LAG villain will pay you off w/ something you're ahead of, or at best a flip against.

The river in hand #3 seems like a good spot to check and induce a bluff. I don't think you're missing out on much value by not betting, as I doubt he's paying you off w/ a hand you beat (save for perhaps a K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hand), and he's probably capable of making a big bluff raise on a scary board like that, and you'll have to lay down.

Hand #4 is fine, I think he's going to have such a huge range of hands here three-handed, and he's probably going to look you up w/ some hands you're ahead of, and you're drawing live either way (unless he flopped the nuts) . . .

Stormwolf · #7 09-09-2005, 08:28 PM

why not check-raise allin on the turn on hand 1, that board will hit two opponents a lot so a bet will probably come

arod15 · #8 09-09-2005, 09:07 PM

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For those who don't know, this player is very good IMO. Extremely loose preflop and smart LAG postflop. Hands are in chronological order, and I think the first is by far the most interesting to discuss. How did I do? Hand 2 and 4 are very similar, and I'm wondering if I should contine to take this approach or if I'm just going to broke playing like that.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (7 handed) converter

SB ($3776)
BB ($477.50)
Hero ($2498)
MP1 ($8403)
MP2 ($2560)
CO ($2194)
Button ($1824)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $80, MP1 calls $80, MP2 calls $80, 1 fold, Button calls $80, 2 folds.

Flop: ($350) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $280, MP1 calls $280, MP2 calls $280, Button folds.

Turn: ($1190) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $440, MP1 calls $440, MP2 folds.

River: ($2070) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $400, MP1 raises to $7603, Hero calls $1298 (All-In).

Final Pot: $11371

GOOD

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MP3 ($7496.50)
Hero ($2000)
Button ($3857.50)
SB ($4751)
BB ($2000)
UTG ($388)
UTG+1 ($5096.90)
MP1 ($1500)
MP2 ($2000)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $100, Button calls $100, SB calls $90, 1 fold, MP1 calls $80.

Flop: ($420) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets $280, SB folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1900

Dont like it all. i think a raise is in order but all in? Why so much?

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Button ($5476)
Hero ($1920)
BB ($2115)
UTG ($1957.50)
MP ($10079.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $20, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $60, BB folds, MP raises to $180, Hero calls $120.

Turn: ($420) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($420) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $340 with the plan to fold to a raise probably.

Right you have to fold that is Standard.
But I think you bet too little, i think i make it 400-500 here.

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Hero ($2010)
BB ($8470)
Button ($3210)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $80, BB calls $60.

Flop: ($160) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $120, BB raises to $400, Hero raises to $1930

I like the push

-Jason

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BobboFitos · #9 09-09-2005, 09:19 PM

Hand 1,

other people commented on betting more on the turn, what about c/r arr in? that turn is the "perfect" card for a smart / aggro like joker to make you laydown... how can he put you on an 8 here?

will he really take the freebie with a wide range of hands? more importantly, would you fire with an overpair here? (If so the river line and payoff is more believable..)

Hand 4 is relatively standard, no?

#10 09-09-2005, 10:10 PM

those hands all seem pretty basic, seems to me like those were pretty common plays, on hand 1# dont seem him making flush on the river with a overbet like that...